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Happy Wikipedia 20, - proud of a little bit on the Main page today, and 5 years ago, and 10 years ago, look: create a new style - revive - complete! I sang in the revival mentioned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:31, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-15T17:31:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-01-15T17:31:00.000Z-QAI","replies":[]}}-->

Hey! I published the thing. See Historic settlements of the Cherokee. Feel free to give it the once-over. Any improvements appreciated. I hope I didn't get anything too wrong. GenQuest ^"scribble" 17:04, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-11T17:04:00.000Z","author":"GenQuest","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GenQuest-2021-01-11T17:04:00.000Z-Published","replies":["c-Tsistunagiska-2021-01-11T17:26:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-01-11T17:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

GenQuest: You just made my day extra special! I would be more than honored to look over what you have published. I've been watching it despite my less active participation as of late. You have done fantastic work with the article and I am very confident it is a great contribution to the encyclopedia. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 17:26, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-11T17:26:00.000Z","author":"Tsistunagiska","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tsistunagiska-2021-01-11T17:26:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-01-11T17:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-GenQuest-2021-01-11T20:38:00.000Z-Tsistunagiska-2021-01-11T17:26:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARoseWolf"}}-->

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Your contributions at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anger (song), particularly If you can't take it back at you then don't bring it in the first place. Buh bye, now. Have a nice day!, seem to fall short of the standards at Wikipedia:Civility. The concerns of the other editors were reasonable. Please follow the recommendations at Wikipedia:Civility#Avoiding incivility more closely in the future. Thanks. Enterprisey (talk!) 03:43, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-16T03:43:00.000Z","author":"Enterprisey","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Enterprisey-2021-01-16T03:43:00.000Z-AfD","replies":["c-Tsistunagiska-2021-01-19T14:46:00.000Z-Enterprisey-2021-01-16T03:43:00.000Z","c-DiamondRemley39-2021-01-16T06:08:00.000Z-Enterprisey-2021-01-16T03:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Enterprisey I have no issue with what Sergecross73 did. Your opinion is what it is, however, if you feel it is within Wikipedia's code that the first words an editor here ever says to another editor is Just wondering, do you post this same paragraph at every deletion discussion? Honestly, I don't see the point of that, as it doesn't demonstrate that you've actually looked into the specific article up for discussion without me being able to respond, to their personal attack, then I really don't have anything else to say to you. We are on different planets in regards to civility and social practices. I would never approach someone in that manner even if I believed it was the case. I assume by your presence here that you also agree with the editor that I should have simply acknowledged, or even ignored, my initial comment to your vote, but you chose not to, and then you chose to use my signature for reasons still unclear to me, which I still ask you to explain. Why should I have to be the one to ignore an attack? Why should I have to simply acknowledge? Is it because I am a woman? Is it because I am fairly new? Is there a hierarchy here that I am unaware of where more seasoned editors can go around tearing down the hard work of other less experienced editors at their fancy without fear of reprisal? Also, mind you, I never said the word incompetence. That was the one you are supporting here. I simply said that others keep proving to me that they don't understand Wikipedia's notability requirements. They implied I meant people are incompetent. That is not the case. Wikipedia's notability requirements are intentionally vague and hard to decipher. Creating and editing articles here is a proverbial minefield. I have already had one person contact me not knowing that the notability requirements even said half of what I presented and thanked me for pointing them in that direction. It speaks more about Wikipedia and not its editors that the guidelines are so vague and do not clearly dictate what should and should not be included that it turns the AfD process into a temporal moment of mob rule in which you only have to get more people to side with your cause, whichever it may be, to either keep an article or delete it in most cases. It has less to do with content and more to do the support or personal affinity to the subject material. Anytime you want to come back to my talk page and discuss that I will listen. I will not entertain this draconian idea that I can be attacked at will but can not respond in defense of myself. I went for the sarcastic approach to keep from being uncivil in my words but I will not be talked to in a demeaning manner less befitting a child without responding. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 14:46, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-19T14:46:00.000Z","author":"Tsistunagiska","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tsistunagiska-2021-01-19T14:46:00.000Z-Enterprisey-2021-01-16T03:43:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARoseWolf"}}-->

talk page stalking led me to read that AfD. Wow. I can't believe editors attacked your vote. You are perfectly civil and they are what they are. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 06:08, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-16T06:08:00.000Z","author":"DiamondRemley39","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DiamondRemley39-2021-01-16T06:08:00.000Z-Enterprisey-2021-01-16T03:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-Enterprisey-2021-01-16T10:00:00.000Z-DiamondRemley39-2021-01-16T06:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

DiamondRemley39, I looked again and I stand by what I said. While Lennart97's messages could've been rephrased and the hangup about copying/pasting the signature was strange, the messages were not uncivil, whereas You did it because you like to throw your opinions at others and get offended when they respond to you in kind is clearly assuming bad faith and is contrary to a good working environment. Enterprisey (talk!) 10:00, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-16T10:00:00.000Z","author":"Enterprisey","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Enterprisey-2021-01-16T10:00:00.000Z-DiamondRemley39-2021-01-16T06:08:00.000Z","replies":["c-DiamondRemley39-2021-01-16T12:51:00.000Z-Enterprisey-2021-01-16T10:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

A few sentences she wrote that examine the rather dense notability-sourcing requirement have been criticized beyond what I have ever seen. It is civil for someone to pick on her policy-aligned vote because they don't like it's style? No. Is it civil to tell them not to write like that in other discussions? No. That's a civility issue right there. So is her being accused if accusing other users of incompetence and the point to bad faith. She explained her choice to write as she does on request, though she didn't have to. She repeatedly said she was done with it, but now she's being accused of incivility. I'm not surprised that my support of my fellow editor didn't change your opinion. Do you think your reiterating your point again on this talk page would change mine? I would think not. Let's leave it. It's a waste of time for all parties. Don't ping me again. The closest I am coming to this drama is to be a supportive, civil talk page stalker. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 12:51, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-16T12:51:00.000Z","author":"DiamondRemley39","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-DiamondRemley39-2021-01-16T12:51:00.000Z-Enterprisey-2021-01-16T10:00:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I'd like to apologize for not acknowledging the issues with the other editor's behavior at User talk:Tsistunagiska/Archive 2#AfD. That discussion was the wrong place for a criticism like that, and it was worded in a condescending way. I thought I was above the mistake of treating editors with longer tenure better, but obviously not. I resolve to do better in the future. AfD's rules (often unwritten) and the notability guidelines are indeed vague and difficult to navigate; I'm sure the people who work on them would appreciate feedback on the particularly confusing parts at WT:NOTABILITY, if you had the time. Thanks, and apologies again. Enterprisey (talk!) 08:58, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-23T08:58:00.000Z","author":"Enterprisey","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Enterprisey-2021-01-23T08:58:00.000Z-Followup","replies":["c-Tsistunagiska-2021-01-25T14:35:00.000Z-Enterprisey-2021-01-23T08:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

Enterprisey I've made tons of mistakes in my brief time here. I get very passionate about certain topics and passion is a great thing but also gets me in trouble often. I have to watch that closely. I believe I have made strides to do that here but also keep my edge which is part of who I am. Thus my sarcastic responses to offensive rhetoric thrown my way. I take the time to thoroughly investigate, as much as possible, every potential AfD. My responses to those AfD's changes depending on what I find. On that particular day I had run into those claiming that their project deserved special treatment in regards to the notability guideline. My response was to show them just how discriminatory but equal the basic notability guideline is. It doesn't show preferential treatment. We are the biased ones, not the guideline. We created SNG's specific to projects which create an imbalance in the encyclopedia. Look no further than the SNG on academia WP:PROF. It clearly says it is the sole source for notability of those in academia. If a person does not pass those criteria then we are to use WP:N as a guideline for inclusion. That creates an elite project within the encyclopedia that discriminates against all other projects. Why is an academic scholar with a University bio and a few journal entries treated as notable? Under WP:N those journals would be considered primary works and not even about the professor in question, only by them. They can receive almost no significant coverage about them in any reliable sources but are simply notable because they are a professor, scholar or academic. We created that caste system, not Wikipedia itself. I will definitely look at adding my thoughts on notability and the guidelines in discussion at WT:NOTABILITY. The one thing I have realized is none of us are above anything but most of us can achieve more than we are. I have learned I have to take things in that perspective in order for me to be the most effective I can be. I don't know you well but I believe you to be a quality editor. You have given me no reason to think otherwise. You don't owe me an apology but in the interest of good faith I will accept it. --ARoseWolf 14:35, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-25T14:35:00.000Z","author":"Tsistunagiska","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tsistunagiska-2021-01-25T14:35:00.000Z-Enterprisey-2021-01-23T08:58:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Hi Tsistunagiska, I just wanted briefly to thank you, however briefly, for your really helpful input here. Recent editing by Montanabw has allayed my own concerns there. Many thanks again, both to you and Montanabw. Much appreciated! 86.138.231.127 (talk) 20:15, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-26T20:15:00.000Z","author":"86.138.231.127","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-86.138.231.127-2021-01-26T20:15:00.000Z-Thank_you","replies":[]}}-->

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Although we have had our disagreements, I appreciate your reasoned inputs at numerous recent AFDs. As you correctly note, SIGCOV in multiple RS is the prime determinant of notability, not whatever we may think of the underlying reason for that SIGCOV. regards Mztourist (talk) 09:31, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-29T09:31:00.000Z","author":"Mztourist","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mztourist-2021-01-29T09:31:00.000Z-Thanks","replies":["c-Tsistunagiska-2021-01-29T17:42:00.000Z-Mztourist-2021-01-29T09:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

Mztourist I had to go through a process to understand that Wikipedia isn't my enemy that I have to try and defeat by defending subjects I like. As I wrote on my User Page, I don't need my favorite topic or subject to have a Wikipedia page to feel accomplished. I understand and respect the various Wiki:Projects we have here. They have their place but I don't believe I will be doing advocacy for any of them anytime soon. The inconsistencies to me are not gaps in subject coverage but in the rules themselves. Its very difficult for new editors to navigate the rules here and most burn out quickly because of it. Some stick around and most wear down to the point they simply have no will to ensure clear and concise rules are followed in regard to inclusion based on specific and direct criteria. Overtime the consensus becomes closer to IAR than GNG when I don't believe the intention was ever to ignore rules but compromises were made to allow for more inclusion. The issue is that the encyclopedia was never made to follow precise rules to begin with so we never got a starting point by which to measure the success of the policies. We think success is in numbers of views and hits to pages but that's a poor indication of success. That's why we don't allow that as criteria for notability. --ARoseWolf 17:42, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-29T17:42:00.000Z","author":"Tsistunagiska","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tsistunagiska-2021-01-29T17:42:00.000Z-Mztourist-2021-01-29T09:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ipigott-2021-02-03T11:36:00.000Z-Tsistunagiska-2021-01-29T17:42:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I really sympathize with you on these comments, Tsistunagiska, and those you made on the WiR talk page. When the weather improves a bit up there, you might find it useful to put together a proposal on how to improve article acceptance or at least a few suggestions on how to progress on specific issues such as notability. It might all seem very frustrating to you and the other new editors you refer to but I am convinced that it will only be on the basis of step-by-step improvements that progress will be made. I very much hope your own initial enthusiasm will not be completely set back by your discovery of ever more incompatible guidelines. But for the time being, just put a few more logs on those open fires and enjoy the Arctic cold. And talking about the far north, you might find it interesting to listen to the BBC's podcasts on The New Arctic].--Ipigott (talk) 11:36, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-03T11:36:00.000Z","author":"Ipigott","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ipigott-2021-02-03T11:36:00.000Z-Tsistunagiska-2021-01-29T17:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tsistunagiska-2021-02-03T17:47:00.000Z-Ipigott-2021-02-03T11:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ipigott woke up to -37F/-38C this morning. Will most likely see mid -40's the end of this week into next week for high temps and close to -50 for lows. --ARoseWolf 17:47, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-03T17:47:00.000Z","author":"Tsistunagiska","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Tsistunagiska-2021-02-03T17:47:00.000Z-Ipigott-2021-02-03T11:36:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Hello I’m Ebs Akintade (Presenter) and my Wikipedia page got deleted before I could add the links for all the work I’ve done. What can I do now? Ebuaki (talk) 08:28, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-31T08:28:00.000Z","author":"Ebuaki","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ebuaki-2021-01-31T08:28:00.000Z-Ebs_Akintade_deleted!","replies":["c-Tsistunagiska-2021-02-03T17:58:00.000Z-Ebuaki-2021-01-31T08:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ebuaki I would try to get tips from the teahouse on creating articles. I know it can be frustrating. The rules are seemingly all over the place and its hard to keep up with. Similar subjects with less or similar sources may be kept at AFD while yours is deleted and no one can really tell you why except to say "consensus" which is code for "they don't really know why the hell either so they counted the votes". Rules and guidelines and how they are applied are not consistent from AfD to AfD. All I can say is to try very hard to review what are reliable sources here on Wikipedia and stick to those as sources until you can get a better feel for what other online and offline sources may be reliable. It's not all doom and gloom. Just keep plugging away and maybe one day we will be considered "experienced" enough that our voices matter here too. Much love and genuinely wish success for you. :-) --ARoseWolf 17:58, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-03T17:58:00.000Z","author":"Tsistunagiska","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tsistunagiska-2021-02-03T17:58:00.000Z-Ebuaki-2021-01-31T08:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-GenQuest-2021-02-03T19:42:00.000Z-Tsistunagiska-2021-02-03T17:58:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

E: You should consider putting a suggestion for the article up at AfC. Let others write the article. Writing an article about yourself usually won't fly very far here and is not looked upon with kind eyes on Wikipedia. Several such articles are deleted every day. For one thing, you are too close to the subject, and for another thing, you are probably unclear on important guidelines and policy matters such as NOTABILITY; RELIABLE SOURCING; COI; What Wikipedia is NOT; VANITY; and so many more important guidelines to article creation. Regards (your friendly neighborhood talk-page watcher), GenQuest ^"scribble" 19:42, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-03T19:42:00.000Z","author":"GenQuest","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-GenQuest-2021-02-03T19:42:00.000Z-Tsistunagiska-2021-02-03T17:58:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Could you please review Ricky Allman AFD one more time. I have added new information, such as museum exhibitions and Harvard Business Review citation. I feel these may change your mind.Webmaster862 (talk) 05:26, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-03T05:26:00.000Z","author":"Webmaster862","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Webmaster862-2021-02-03T05:26:00.000Z-Ricky_Allman_AFD","replies":["c-Tsistunagiska-2021-02-03T18:01:00.000Z-Webmaster862-2021-02-03T05:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

Webmaster862 I am genuinely sorry I missed this. I wish I could have been here and looked at it. If you feel you have reliable sources you can always recreate the article but it will probably be tested again so make those sources solid like the rebar of a foundation and I wish success for you in your efforts no matter what. --ARoseWolf 18:01, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-03T18:01:00.000Z","author":"Tsistunagiska","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tsistunagiska-2021-02-03T18:01:00.000Z-Webmaster862-2021-02-03T05:26:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Do you remember this conversation we had? Now take a look at this AFD & observe how editors mistake “presumed” for “guaranteed” even though a before search clearly shows the subject to be not notable. THAT NPOL needs a complete overhaul is an understatement. Celestina007 (talk) 21:57, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-08T21:57:00.000Z","author":"Celestina007","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Celestina007-2021-02-08T21:57:00.000Z-The_same_NPOL_Problems","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, Tsistunagiska. I just wanted to let you know that Draft:Connie Redbird Pinkerman-Uri, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Draft space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for article space.

If your submission is not edited soon, it could be nominated for deletion under CSD G13. If you would like to attempt to save it, you will need to improve it. You may request userfication of the content if it meets requirements.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. Bot0612 (talk) 06:15, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-13T06:15:00.000Z","author":"Bot0612","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bot0612-2021-02-13T06:15:00.000Z-Concern_regarding_Draft:Connie_Redbird_Pinkerman-Uri","replies":["c-7&6=thirteen-2021-02-14T17:32:00.000Z-Bot0612-2021-02-13T06:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

User:Bot0612 It has been edited as of today.

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happy Valentine's! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-14T16:23:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-02-14T16:23:00.000Z-February_flowers","replies":[]}}-->

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I'd like to apologise for my behaviour on Talk:Cherokee calendar. In my zeal to protect indigenous American cultures from Western misinterpretation, I ended up speaking over actual native voices. I also apologise for taking so long to make this apology. Midnight-Blue766 (talk) 02:03, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-05T02:03:00.000Z","author":"Midnight-Blue766","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Midnight-Blue766-2021-04-05T02:03:00.000Z-An_apology","replies":["c-Tsistunagiska-2021-04-22T14:17:00.000Z-Midnight-Blue766-2021-04-05T02:03:00.000Z"]}}-->

• @Midnight-Blue766: No apology necessary. I appreciate your zeal for native cultures and it is exactly what is needed to continue to present the voices of our ancestors in a world that is constantly trying to marginalize them by adding in New Age thoughts and philosophies and passing them off as the beliefs of the people. Keep up the good work. --ARoseWolf 14:17, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-22T14:17:00.000Z","author":"Tsistunagiska","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tsistunagiska-2021-04-22T14:17:00.000Z-Midnight-Blue766-2021-04-05T02:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-GenQuest-2021-04-27T17:32:00.000Z-Tsistunagiska-2021-04-22T14:17:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Amen! GenQuest ^"scribble" 17:32, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-27T17:32:00.000Z","author":"GenQuest","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-GenQuest-2021-04-27T17:32:00.000Z-Tsistunagiska-2021-04-22T14:17:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I think your statement we need a baseline, solid foundation actually realtes to my complaining about attempts to grandfather things into Wikipedia. I wish I had not run with the allusions to the history of the term, especially since I failed to explain them in a way that made them clear to others. Wikipedia started out in a very sorry shape of not including sources in articles, free for all article creation, and some related issues. Things have improved some, but that fact that someone was able to nominate about 70 articles that had been without sources since their creation in 2007 is very disturbing. Some of these articles also illustrate the fact that early on Wikipedia had a lot of stuff that belonged in a dictionary, not in an encyclopedia.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:33, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-27T14:33:00.000Z","author":"Johnpacklambert","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnpacklambert-2021-04-27T14:33:00.000Z-Baseline,_solid_foundation","replies":["c-Tsistunagiska-2021-04-27T18:03:00.000Z-Johnpacklambert-2021-04-27T14:33:00.000Z"],"displayName":"John Pack Lambert"}}-->

@Johnpacklambert: My comments will always stand on their own. I don't generally fall into any category. I'm quite unpredictable in life and I like keeping that edge every where I go. One area I do agree with is a strong foundation. No grandfather clauses. Make everything adhere to one concise policy for inclusion and then once that is in place we can have a discussion on where compromises can be made to allow certain subjects to be included. We will still face an uphill climb on determining what is reliable and what is multiple but we would have the foundation to fall back on. --ARoseWolf 18:03, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-27T18:03:00.000Z","author":"Tsistunagiska","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tsistunagiska-2021-04-27T18:03:00.000Z-Johnpacklambert-2021-04-27T14:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-Johnpacklambert-2021-04-27T20:31:00.000Z-Tsistunagiska-2021-04-27T18:03:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

We have made some progress. Our coverage of subjects from the works of Tolkien has majorly improved. Some other topics though people seem to want to cling onto guidelines that in no way predict the likelihood of the topic passing GNG. At present the generalized subject that may have had the most deletion nominations, clearly this year at least, is cricket players. Those who involved a lot of refusal to even try to identify how the subject meets GNG. At one point I tried with some articles on Catholic bishops. The thing was people almost always found some sourcing, they just had been too lazy to include it when creating the articles. Then of course there were the two deletion discussions on Ulisses Soares. That was one of the few cases where I have seen someone argue that someone who got a bunch of coverage in multiple sources was not notable. I dug up coverage from at least 3 countries, in 3 languages. I suspect there is more that I did not find.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:31, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-27T20:31:00.000Z","author":"Johnpacklambert","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Johnpacklambert-2021-04-27T20:31:00.000Z-Tsistunagiska-2021-04-27T18:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tsistunagiska-2021-04-28T13:16:00.000Z-Johnpacklambert-2021-04-27T20:31:00.000Z"],"displayName":"John Pack Lambert"}}-->

Johnpacklambert, the main issue we face as an encyclopedia is this idea of a 'consensus of editors'. Consensus is being replaced with a mob. We should never, ever, ever, ever have articles of similar subjects with similar sourcing, perhaps even the same sourcing, where you have one kept and one deleted simply because on one AfD more people voted to 'keep' and on the other more voted to 'delete'. That is not a consensus based on any principled foundational standards. That is simply a mob rule. I'm not saying it will destroy or kill Wikipedia. I may be somewhat naïve but not that naïve. What it will most definitely do is keep Wikipedia from reaching the full potential that it can be. WP:N very clearly states that SIGCOV in reliable sources does NOT, on its own, make a guarantee a subject is notable. Yet we have countless articles that are kept simply because they have a reliable source about a birthday cake, a source about them going to Universial and how they enjoyed the Transformers ride in, maybe a source of how they called some other celebrity and a few politicians by some nasty names, they may have 45 tik-tok videos and call themselves an influencer and, oh yeah, they have a million subscribers on YouTube who enjoy watching them make videos using the cat filter on snapchat and telling everyone how sucky the world is and we need to hate everything but love everyone that thinks like us. Why the hell does that person deserve a Wikipedia article? Only because they scream the loudest and have a great publicist that gets their face and birthday cake in the mainstream? A consensus should never overrule common sense foundational policies. That's what Wikipedia needs. Wikipedia prides itself on the structural integrity of it's precious committee(s) and administrative processes but it seriously is like Nero fiddling in his palace while Rome burns. Rome is still here and Wikipedia will still be here but a lot of potential benefits will be lost along the way simply because certain ones couldn't stomach the work it would take to implement the changes needed to give the encyclopedia the foundation it deserves. --ARoseWolf 13:16, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-28T13:16:00.000Z","author":"Tsistunagiska","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Tsistunagiska-2021-04-28T13:16:00.000Z-Johnpacklambert-2021-04-27T20:31:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

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wild garlic

Thank you for the inspiration of your Life stories! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:44, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-29T05:44:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-04-29T05:44:00.000Z-April_thanks","replies":["c-Tsistunagiska-2021-04-29T12:32:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-04-29T05:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Gerda Arendt, you are too kind (lol). I appreciate you. So much to do that it really taxes me but I try to get on here if for no other reason than to encourage, even if we disagree. Between the constant work it is to maintain this place and now adding that we have taken over management of the "resort" around the lake and the floatplane base and it becomes even more difficult. I will always find a way to do something here on wikipedia. My morning routine this time of year consists of waking up around one or two o'clock in the morning. I make a warm cup of tea and enjoy the morning sounds on the deck outside and some meditation. Then I find my way here to check in on my wiki-friends and do a little wiki-work. Usually around sunrise I will take a break and spend some time outside with my yoga and dancing/singing my morning songs. I'll then consult my daily schedule for meals and start prep for that. May take a nap in-between. Usually around nine or ten o'clock I will sit down and type a little more in my journals or some more of my memoirs/book. Of course wikipedia is up and I am writing or responding here. Then around eleven or twelve o'clock I am cooking lunch and dinner for the day. I will log on here after that and do a little more but then the rest of the day is work and spending with my family. I will finish my day's around the homestead with journal entries and reading books or playing games with my daughter (that she dreams up most of the time). --ARoseWolf 12:32, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-29T12:32:00.000Z","author":"Tsistunagiska","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tsistunagiska-2021-04-29T12:32:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-04-29T05:44:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I am assuming good faith in your recent moving of comments I made at AfD. Please do not alter or move my comments again. They were specifically put under your original note as a response to your comment, not my own !vote. Moving them under my !vote takes the comment out of perspective. Thank you. --ARoseWolf 14:38, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-30T14:38:00.000Z","author":"Tsistunagiska","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tsistunagiska-2021-04-30T14:38:00.000Z-AGF","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Hello! @Tsistunagiska:, your comments have not in any way been altered.
Your note was simply moved for clarity, and to avoid the appearance of a chat page. Diastinaut (talk) 14:54, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-30T14:54:00.000Z","author":"Diastinaut","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Diastinaut-2021-04-30T14:54:00.000Z-AGF","replies":["c-Tsistunagiska-2021-04-30T15:15:00.000Z-Diastinaut-2021-04-30T14:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Diastinaut:, I added my note where it was intended to go and with a purpose. Moving them is not your call or place. You do not own that specific AfD nor do you have the authority to alter the flow or order of what was written without the express permission of the participants themselves. I kindly asked that you not alter or move my comments on your talk page in the effort to resolve a dispute outside the AfD so as to keep it about the subject matter and assumed good faith on your part in regards to the action itself. In discussions there will always be back-and-forth so your intention to avoid the appearance of a chat page is irrelevant. --ARoseWolf 15:15, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-30T15:15:00.000Z","author":"Tsistunagiska","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tsistunagiska-2021-04-30T15:15:00.000Z-Diastinaut-2021-04-30T14:54:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Hello again @Tsistunagiska:
This is already understood. It seems clear that the subject also has support on English WP, and will very likely survive consensus.
From my experience, it appears to be just another vanity article, however I could be wrong this time. Diastinaut (talk) 15:47, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-30T15:47:00.000Z","author":"Diastinaut","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Diastinaut-2021-04-30T15:47:00.000Z-AGF","replies":["c-Tsistunagiska-2021-04-30T16:41:00.000Z-Diastinaut-2021-04-30T15:47:00.000Z","c-Diastinaut-2021-04-30T17:20:00.000Z-Diastinaut-2021-04-30T15:47:00.000Z","c-Diastinaut-2021-04-30T17:41:00.000Z-Diastinaut-2021-04-30T15:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Diastinaut: - Why was this conversation removed from your talk page and added to mine? I am still assuming good faith on your part but the editing and moving of comments to fit your own personal formats is really bothering me. The AfD is meant to be a bullet discussion. No where and under any policy does it dictate the size or formatting outside that criteria. Users are not to edit or format another user's comments unless the bullet discussion criteria is not met. This off-AfD discussion was originated at your talk page to resolve a dispute on the AfD of an article you nominated. It should have stayed at your talk page. --ARoseWolf 16:41, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-30T16:41:00.000Z","author":"Tsistunagiska","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tsistunagiska-2021-04-30T16:41:00.000Z-Diastinaut-2021-04-30T15:47:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

@Tsistunagiska: Please note that there will be no further WP:AFD discussion on my talk page. The AFD discussion is limited strictly to the discussion page. All notes (including comments) should be in small text for clarity. Only reasons for voting should be full size text, to prevent the distinction between voting and discussion from becoming blurred. Many thanks! Diastinaut (talk) 17:20, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-30T17:20:00.000Z","author":"Diastinaut","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diastinaut-2021-04-30T17:20:00.000Z-Diastinaut-2021-04-30T15:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tsistunagiska-2021-04-30T17:28:00.000Z-Diastinaut-2021-04-30T17:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Diastinaut: That is not you call to make. You are not the authority on Wikipedia. You are altering and editing other users comments. If you want to blank your own talk page then that is fine but moving comments and conversations to other users talk pages and altering the format of users comments to fit your own personal views of how a discussion should be is not within your purview. What you are doing is a clear violation of English Wikipedia policy and accepted practices. --ARoseWolf 17:28, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-30T17:28:00.000Z","author":"Tsistunagiska","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tsistunagiska-2021-04-30T17:28:00.000Z-Diastinaut-2021-04-30T17:20:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

@Tsistunagiska: Please read through the Wikipedia:Manual of Style. I do not make the rules. I do however keep my talk page blank, so (for your benefit) I moved your comments here. If you wish to delete them, that is up to you of course. If you wish to discuss the matter further, please feel free to do so on the discussion page. In my opinion, everyone in the discussion thusfar has already made their case for or against deletion. So now we have only 6 more days to wait. It already appears that the article will remain, so I would not worry too much. Diastinaut (talk) 17:41, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-30T17:41:00.000Z","author":"Diastinaut","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diastinaut-2021-04-30T17:41:00.000Z-Diastinaut-2021-04-30T15:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tsistunagiska-2021-04-30T17:56:00.000Z-Diastinaut-2021-04-30T17:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Diastinaut: Please do not treat me like an petulant child. I have consulted the "rules", as you call them, many times and no where in them does it state what you are doing is correct. In fact, it suggests not reducing font sizes within the same article and only reserving it for special circumstances. While I appreciate you thinking about me, I respectfully ask that you not alter my comments or move them in any way going forward. If you do so then you will be warned for disruptive behavior and if it continues I will seek admin assistance, for your benefit of course. --ARoseWolf 17:56, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-30T17:56:00.000Z","author":"Tsistunagiska","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tsistunagiska-2021-04-30T17:56:00.000Z-Diastinaut-2021-04-30T17:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Diastinaut-2021-04-30T18:19:00.000Z-Tsistunagiska-2021-04-30T17:56:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

That was not my intention. We can all work together to keep the discussion from getting messy. In any case, I am signing out for the day. I will check back after a week to see the result, but it really doesn't matter for me one way or another, it's nothing personal. Have a nice evening! Diastinaut (talk) 18:19, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-30T18:19:00.000Z","author":"Diastinaut","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Diastinaut-2021-04-30T18:19:00.000Z-Tsistunagiska-2021-04-30T17:56:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, ARoseWolf. You have new messages at Doug Weller's talk page.
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Thank you for improving articles in May! ... and for improving editor interactions!! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:38, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-20T07:38:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-05-20T07:38:00.000Z-May_thanks","replies":[]}}-->

Hello—I've nominated the article about Munay-ki for deletion, and thought you might be interested in weighing in: Munay-ki AfD. Suomichris (talk) 15:21, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-21T15:21:00.000Z","author":"Suomichris","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Suomichris-2021-05-21T15:21:00.000Z-Munay-ki_article_nominated_for_deletion","replies":[]}}-->

The Special Barnstar

For this. It reminded me of my own grandfather — who was also my best friend — in his twilight years. He lived alone and I would go see him at the end of day when I was in university once or twice a week. On easier days, every day of the week. We would drink tea and watch the sunset, sitting on comfortable chairs. He was fond of discussing "the market", talking about the adventures he had while traveling the world, and how we should never stop fighting for the "good" in this world. He would still look forward to adventures of the future, and they did come to him: like the time he chased off a burglar who was trying to break in; he could not walk all that well by then, but he had all the spirits (and weapons) he needed. Even when he got too old and sick to get up on his own, he was just as passionate in his heart and just as hopeful for the future as he was when he was a little younger. There was never a day when he was not a kind soul. I miss him dearly. My userpage and username are references to the two essential things he taught me — the power of hope and the importance of comfortable chairs! You brought back a lot of fond memories I have of him and I thank you for that. — The Most Comfortable Chair 17:13, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-21T17:13:00.000Z","author":"The Most Comfortable Chair","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_Most_Comfortable_Chair-2021-05-21T17:13:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!","replies":["c-Tsistunagiska-2021-05-21T17:45:00.000Z-The_Most_Comfortable_Chair-2021-05-21T17:13:00.000Z"],"displayName":"The\u00a0Most\u00a0Comfortable"}}-->

• The Most Comfortable Chair, tears!! This has blessed me beyond words. I love the relationship you had with your grandfather. More than anything I love that you listened. His Song is in you because you took the time to learn it and allow it to impress in you the human essence that IS your grandfather. He lives through you, hope remains. What an amazing adventure he lived. It has inspired me. Thank you.

• Chairs...um, my adopted parents, who were my father's brother and his wife (my aunt), never raised their voices at each other. When I say never, I mean never. They had disagreements but if it ever lasted more than a few hours then they had a provision for this. They had a chair. It was a very comfortable chair. Its only purpose was for disputes. Anytime they had a disagreement that couldn't be resolved easily they would go to the chair (As we grew up we were subjected to the provision as well). There were a few rules for the chair. Rule 1: Be Respectful ~ Limited "colorful" words, No raising your voice above a calm level. Rule 2: Pay attention ~ No interruptions, You have two ears for a reason. So Listen. Rule 3: Once in the chair you could not leave the chair without a resolution with few exceptions. I miss that chair. I miss them. So many Song's that have greatly impacted my journey. Thank you for sharing. --ARoseWolf 17:45, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-21T17:45:00.000Z","author":"Tsistunagiska","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tsistunagiska-2021-05-21T17:45:00.000Z-The_Most_Comfortable_Chair-2021-05-21T17:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-The_Most_Comfortable_Chair-2021-05-21T19:41:00.000Z-Tsistunagiska-2021-05-21T17:45:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I cherish the time we got to spend together — I see a lot of him in me now and that makes me happy.

It is not so easy to handle conflicts between loved ones, because a lot of them are on delicate and passionate matters. Your folks truly seem remarkable. They had a great system in place to manage that; their calm and level-headed approach is especially commendable. I believe that we learn a lot more from the way people conduct themselves than we do from what they say. The way we think, and the words that we express — their lives reflect in all of that, and they are always with us. We can become a whole lot of things on our own, as it usually goes, but we can always find reflections of the "good" that we got to experience from people around us. And I believe that you channel a lot of their "good" through your kindness. I will try to implement the time-out chair system in my family, thank you for sharing your story. — The Most Comfortable Chair 19:41, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-21T19:41:00.000Z","author":"The Most Comfortable Chair","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-The_Most_Comfortable_Chair-2021-05-21T19:41:00.000Z-Tsistunagiska-2021-05-21T17:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tsistunagiska-2021-05-21T20:36:00.000Z-The_Most_Comfortable_Chair-2021-05-21T19:41:00.000Z"],"displayName":"The\u00a0Most\u00a0Comfortable"}}-->

The Most Comfortable Chair, I enforce it now. Funny, I used to hate it as a kid. Wouldn't trade it for the world now. --ARoseWolf 20:36, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-21T20:36:00.000Z","author":"Tsistunagiska","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Tsistunagiska-2021-05-21T20:36:00.000Z-The_Most_Comfortable_Chair-2021-05-21T19:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-The_Most_Comfortable_Chair-2021-05-22T08:27:00.000Z-Tsistunagiska-2021-05-21T20:36:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

A long time ago, I came across this poem. It may have been written for a younger audience, but it is one of my favorites. For both us perhaps, chairs also hold a great nostalgic value. — The Most Comfortable Chair 08:27, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-22T08:27:00.000Z","author":"The Most Comfortable Chair","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-The_Most_Comfortable_Chair-2021-05-22T08:27:00.000Z-Tsistunagiska-2021-05-21T20:36:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"The\u00a0Most\u00a0Comfortable"}}-->

go outside

Welcome to your real name! Quote from the dialogue from "outside": "Good idea. Hard to get wrapped up in wiki arguments while stopping and smelling the roses..." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:37, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-27T13:37:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-05-27T13:37:00.000Z-ARoseWolf","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-05-27T14:34:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-05-27T13:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Gerda Arendt: It might please you to know that I am sitting outside as we "speak" here. I recommend always stopping to smell the roses and paying attention to details as we walk through life. I seek and usually find even the slightest changes around me. I marvel at them as one might who has been veiled in darkness but is given the gift of light. I stand in awe at the simplest of details as I imagine one would, who has lived their entire life among the grasses and trees, when first gazing at the ferocity and vastness of the ocean from a high cliff. Colors surrounding us, sounds like waves passing through us, smells breathed in deeply, the textures of the earth beneath our feet and in our hands, all coming together to give us true sight and understanding. We look out upon the earth and wonder at its beauty, and truly it is, but we rarely look at ourselves and see the beauty in us, our condition, our existence, our Song. It is normal to look outward, see the splendor of the earth and be moved by it but looking inside and finding rare details within us can be just as adventurous and just as moving. See what I see. We are each beautiful, wonderful and awe inspiring, humanity. Thank you for my rose. :-) --ARoseWolf 14:34, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-27T14:34:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-05-27T14:34:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-05-27T13:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-05-27T14:47:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-05-27T14:34:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

great poetry, thank you - the rose fits you well, bold (and many) colours, including those of your signature - for more bold colours see my talk today, but you probably did already ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:47, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-27T14:47:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-05-27T14:47:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-05-27T14:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-05-27T15:24:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-05-27T14:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Gerda Arendt: I always visit your talk to see what beautiful and inspiring colours may reveal themselves to me. --ARoseWolf 15:24, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-27T15:24:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-05-27T15:24:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-05-27T14:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-05-30T10:08:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-05-27T15:24:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

So I don't even have to tell you: see my talk today, - it's rare that a person is pictured when a dream comes true, and that the picture is shown on the Main page on a meaningful day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:08, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-30T10:08:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-05-30T10:08:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-05-27T15:24:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Congrats on the name change Tsis .. errr, I mean A Rose Wolf. Hopefully this will please your aunt. :-) — Ched (talk) 15:42, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-27T15:42:00.000Z","author":"Ched","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ched-2021-05-27T15:42:00.000Z-ARoseWolf","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-05-27T15:58:00.000Z-Ched-2021-05-27T15:42:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014 Ched"}}-->

@Ched: Thank you! I thought about adding an explanation of the significance of my name but I kind of like a small bit of mystery surrounding it. I will say that "A" is the first letter of my Anglicized birth name and my adopted name so that is where the "A" comes from. One can figure out "Rose" if they simply look at the definition of the name you started to call me. The "Wolf" we shall leave for another time and place. It does not come from my mothers people, yet a life experience I had with wolves that might just find its way into print one day. In regards to my aunt, she will most likely never know anything I do here but I will and that's what matters to me. --ARoseWolf 15:58, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-27T15:58:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-05-27T15:58:00.000Z-Ched-2021-05-27T15:42:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Ritchie333 I wanted to bring my discussion here because I'm not saying either party is right but I wanted clarity on something and, really, any of my admin or long tenured wiki-friends can comment but, the other day I ran across a suspected edit war/disruptive edit in which an editor added something to an existing article that was sourced but controversial and I'm not really sure whether the source was considered reliable or not, I digress, the addition was contested and removed. This editor put it back in the article and was promptly reprimanded for not taking it to the talk page as it was contested. The article was restored to original state and a discussion was had in the talk page. In this article, you have information that was in the article and has been since 2010. Even though it is unsourced it is considered a stable article having been there for 11 years now. It was removed, initially, contested and reverted back to its stable state. The editor that reverted it to its last stable state attempted to add a source but that source is behind a paywall. The editor who initially removed the information promptly reverted the stable state back to their preferred version and the other editor was told not to edit war. How is this situation different from the former and how does one choose when something needs to go to the talk page and when not? If you applied the same across-the-board logic then the editor who initially made the change should have went to the talk page after it was contested rather than revert it to their preferred state. --ARoseWolf 18:23, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-27T18:23:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-05-27T18:23:00.000Z-American_Idol_Live","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-05-27T18:30:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-05-27T18:23:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

In reality I would have slapped the both with a warning, Pillowdelight for reverting contested information rather than take it to the talk page and skaschep for reverting it twice rather than doing the same and possibly seeking admin support himself. Both were disruptive and didn't act in an interest of trying to foster good faith. --ARoseWolf 18:30, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-27T18:30:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-05-27T18:30:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-05-27T18:23:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I missed the ping for some reason (although it might have come in when I was taking a break for a few days), but the underlying scope is that I was directly asked to say something in the dispute in an administrative role, and per WP:ADMINACCT I felt I should say something. It's possible they wanted my involvement because I've written a lot of music articles, but I'm not so familiar with any pop released in the last 15 years or so. (I think that's just what happens when you get older, to be honest). So I tried to explain some points of view, and then got Ashley involved, simply because they're more familiar with any newish pop music, in the hope that everyone could reach an understanding. I'm generally loathe to dish out warnings unless somebody is very obviously sticking their fingers in their ears and not listening to anything - two editors with a diverging point of view isn't really something that ought to require any admin action. Of course, it depends on the context - if I see somebody write "YOU SUCK" in a large font on an article, I'll pick them up by the scruff of their neck and boot them out without any further comment. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:27, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-02T14:27:00.000Z","author":"Ritchie333","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ritchie333-2021-06-02T14:27:00.000Z-American_Idol_Live","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-02T14:39:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2021-06-02T14:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Ritchie333: Definitely not worth making a fuss over. Sometimes I go into a mode where I analyze things deeper than they probably should be. My brothers usually nod and then go back to doing their thing. I ponder a lot. Maybe it's the excessive time I have or just my desire to absorb information and process it, I do not know, but I find that once I process it then whatever concerns I had usually just melt away like the snow in summer. It's when it doesn't go away that I begin to compare and contrast it with the personal philosophies and principles of life according to Asareel. That could be very dangerous so I limit exposure as much as possible. ;) --ARoseWolf 14:39, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-02T14:39:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-02T14:39:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2021-06-02T14:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ritchie333-2021-06-02T14:48:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-02T14:39:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

"My brothers usually nod and then go back to doing their thing." It's a guy thing. "Are you listening to me?" "mmm..." "ARE YOU LISTENING TO ME?" "Yes, dear." "So what did I say?" "You want me to go to the shops, make sure we get some of the nice white wine as well, and no asparagus this time, and fresh tomatoes from the market, not the tinned ones from the corner shop." "*harrumph*" Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:48, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-02T14:48:00.000Z","author":"Ritchie333","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ritchie333-2021-06-02T14:48:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-02T14:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-02T15:16:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2021-06-02T14:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Ritchie333: Totally a guy thing. They listen, and most of the time they do what we ask, even if only. We are outnumbered up here with it just being my sister-in-law, my niece, my daughter and myself compared to both brothers, my daughter's father, my two nephews, Jack, our trainer and guide and, the floatplane pilots, both guys. Although one of the pilots is talking about possibly moving his wife here during the summer so that might even it out a little more. I am still queen of my mountain (lol). --ARoseWolf 15:16, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-02T15:16:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-02T15:16:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2021-06-02T14:48:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

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Hey! I suspect the spring thaw is on in Alaska, as you have come out of hibernation ready to go: New Name, New Page design! You are looking good my friend. Stay peaceful and have a great sunny season. Regards, GenQuest ^"scribble" 15:11, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-02T15:11:00.000Z","author":"GenQuest","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GenQuest-2021-06-02T15:11:00.000Z-New_Look!","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-02T16:32:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-06-02T15:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

@GenQuest: A few changes never hurt :). I'll probably change colours again in a few months but blue seemed to be calling to me for now. Anyway, I haven't forgotten about merging articles, I am slowly working on infoboxing Protected Areas (Glaciers, Mountain, Rivers and Lakes). I check AfD's once a day and might comment or assess one or two. I saw the one you nominated and decided to take a look. It was a good nomination. We can't evaluate the effectiveness or lack of it when articles are allowed to stay because we think they belong or we like them being here, especially in regards to BLP's. --ARoseWolf 16:32, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-02T16:32:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-02T16:32:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-06-02T15:11:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Hey! If you get a chance, check out Kimberly Norris Guerrero. I want to take it to DYK Monday if possible. What are your thoughts? I value your opinion on such articles. Thanks in advance, GenQuest ^"scribble" 20:08, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-05T20:08:00.000Z","author":"GenQuest","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GenQuest-2021-06-05T20:08:00.000Z-New_one","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-07T12:20:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-06-05T20:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

@GenQuest: This is good! Have you decided on a hook yet? --ARoseWolf 12:20, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-07T12:20:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-07T12:20:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-06-05T20:08:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-07T12:28:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-07T12:20:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Can't find a citation for the Standing Cloud film? --ARoseWolf 12:28, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-07T12:28:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-07T12:28:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-07T12:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-07T12:40:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-07T12:28:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I think if you are only making statements about what roles she played or what shows/movies she appeared in or directed then it is okay to use IMDb or some other site that only confirms roles. I think notability is met per the other reliably sourced content. Readers can make up their own mind. --ARoseWolf 12:40, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-07T12:40:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-07T12:40:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-07T12:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-GenQuest-2021-06-07T15:08:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-07T12:40:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Thanks for having a look. I haven't thought of a good hook yet. The Standing Cloud (her birth name, BTW) film is evading me, and IMDb is rarely allowed in the article body. Same with finding RS on an apparent sister (maybe half-sister) of hers who is also an actress, and indications of at least one brother in her adopted family. There should also be an article on the Cherokee Name for Water film. Apparently a noted and well-received film, but one that has no article. Maybe something you'd care to do? (I won't be able to get to it for a bit, but will eventually if you don't have the time.) Now that I am officially retired (Yay!!), it seems that I'm busier than ever. Speaking of which, I now have to get to work. Bye, for now. GenQuest ^"scribble" 15:08, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-07T15:08:00.000Z","author":"GenQuest","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-GenQuest-2021-06-07T15:08:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-07T12:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-07T15:13:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-06-07T15:08:00.000Z","c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-07T15:06:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-06-07T15:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

Good to know and congrats on your retirement. Stay busy but also make time to slow down. :) I'll look at writing an article for the film. --ARoseWolf 15:13, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-07T15:13:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-07T15:13:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-06-07T15:08:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

@Gerda Arendt, Ched, and Ritchie333: You are well more seasoned than I am at this. Do you agree if notability has been established and the information is purely to list roles of the individual in film and theater and not personal biographical information then sources like IMDb can be used? --ARoseWolf 15:06, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-07T15:06:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-07T15:06:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-06-07T15:08:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ched-2021-06-07T15:37:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-07T15:06:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Personally I would look somewhere else for a ref. WP:BLP requirements are pretty strict, and IMDb isn't really considered a reliable source [1]. sorry. — Ched (talk) 15:37, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-07T15:37:00.000Z","author":"Ched","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Ched-2021-06-07T15:37:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-07T15:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-07T16:01:00.000Z-Ched-2021-06-07T15:37:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014 Ched"}}-->

STAAAAAHP apologizing (lol), Ched. I asked for opinions for that exact reason. GenQuest is the creator, major editor of the article. I think I added the VIAF ID as part of the Authority Control so far (lol). I see Gen added the IMDb at the bottom as an external reference which is the correct usage. I'll keep looking for citations. I noticed her mothers name was Standing Cloud somewhere but didn't know she was given that name too. Makes sense. When I was born I was given the name Rose as a middle name, obviously named after my mother, though I never grew up with it. My father only gave my first name to my grandmother when he took me to Italy, maybe it caused him too much pain, idk. As far as we know my grandmother never told my uncle and aunt what my birth name was. The fact he did give her my first name at birth and she wrote it in her journals was crucial to me finding out about my past, prior to Italy. --ARoseWolf 16:01, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-07T16:01:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-07T16:01:00.000Z-Ched-2021-06-07T15:37:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I'm having a look at seeing if I can source the remaining tagged claims in the article, and then if I can cite enough to ensure notability is met. From a standing start, it's not looking promising though, I get zero hits in a Google News search, and for somebody who's supposed to be notable in the modern internet age, that's a bit of an alarm bell. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:43, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-08T18:43:00.000Z","author":"Ritchie333","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ritchie333-2021-06-08T18:43:00.000Z-New_one","replies":[]}}-->

Hi there. Care to help me revamp the article so that we don't have to rely on a fake tribe and a commercial site? Also I think it would be respectful to include both dialects in current use. Indigenous girl (talk) 20:42, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-09T20:42:00.000Z","author":"Indigenous girl","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Indigenous_girl-2021-06-09T20:42:00.000Z-Cherokee_moons_article","replies":["c-Indigenous_girl-2021-06-09T20:46:00.000Z-Indigenous_girl-2021-06-09T20:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

Sorry, Cherokee calendar, lol. My spoon drawer is almost depleted and I am not braining well :) Indigenous girl (talk) 20:46, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-09T20:46:00.000Z","author":"Indigenous girl","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Indigenous_girl-2021-06-09T20:46:00.000Z-Indigenous_girl-2021-06-09T20:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-09T20:55:00.000Z-Indigenous_girl-2021-06-09T20:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

Indigenous girl, you don't have to apologize. I am worn down from the discussions on St. Joseph's so I understand. I removed most of the Cherokee articles off my watchlist after discussing the situation with my family in Oklahoma. They actually suggested I not edit here, period, but I can't just walk away. I feel extremely bad for some of my past edits, even if they were founded in good intentions. So, of course, I will assist you in getting the facts corrected and properly sourced. I find the treatment of my ancestors to be horrific. I know you feel the same and possibly faced it yourself. I don't want that message to be lost. So I'm kind of defying my aunts wishes anyway. I hope she understands. --ARoseWolf 20:55, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-09T20:55:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-09T20:55:00.000Z-Indigenous_girl-2021-06-09T20:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-Indigenous_girl-2021-06-09T22:13:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-09T20:55:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I don't want to get you in trouble with your Auntie!!! I can do it myself, it simply means it will get done later rather than sooner :) Indigenous girl (talk) 22:13, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-09T22:13:00.000Z","author":"Indigenous girl","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Indigenous_girl-2021-06-09T22:13:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-09T20:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-10T12:10:00.000Z-Indigenous_girl-2021-06-09T22:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

Indigenous girl No, no, I want to do it. I would love nothing more than to collaborate with you and get this fixed. I'm not very familiar with the Giduwa dialect. I will start by finding other sources rather than the fake tribe and then find a sources to use instead of the commercial site. Then focus on getting sources to add the other dialect. --ARoseWolf 12:10, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-10T12:10:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-10T12:10:00.000Z-Indigenous_girl-2021-06-09T22:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-10T12:31:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-10T12:10:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Indigenous girl I think I found it in my material from Western Carolina. Then I found a source when I searched for unolvtana. It's from another university, Western Washington University? Never heard of it but it matchs the material I have from WCU. It's also found in several books with one book misappropriating it as Iroquoian and spoken by those living in the US State of North Carolina. --ARoseWolf 12:31, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-10T12:31:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-10T12:31:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-10T12:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Indigenous_girl-2021-06-10T16:02:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-10T12:31:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

This is the language site for EBCI https://www.cherokeelanguage.org/ I think it would be most helpful :) I'll gather a few more a bit later, I need to seriously get some work done on a project I'm working on. Indigenous girl (talk) 16:02, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-10T16:02:00.000Z","author":"Indigenous girl","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Indigenous_girl-2021-06-10T16:02:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-10T12:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-10T17:14:00.000Z-Indigenous_girl-2021-06-10T16:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Indigenous girl: Perfect, thank you! I hope you get everything accomplished that you need to on the project you are working on. --ARoseWolf 17:14, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-10T17:14:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-10T17:14:00.000Z-Indigenous_girl-2021-06-10T16:02:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

The "cite unseen" tool (also known as "how to spot a BLP violating source at ten paces") can be installed by going to Special:MyPage/common.js and copy and paste this:

importScript('User:SuperHamster/CiteUnseen.js');

I believe Atsme has further information on the script, and how best to use it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:30, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-11T14:30:00.000Z","author":"Ritchie333","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ritchie333-2021-06-11T14:30:00.000Z-Tools","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-11T14:38:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2021-06-11T14:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Ritchie333: Ooooooo, thank you. I have a tool in my belt now. :) --ARoseWolf 14:38, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-11T14:38:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-11T14:38:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2021-06-11T14:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Atsme-2021-06-11T15:04:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-11T14:38:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

CiteUnseen is synced with WP:RSP and shows little icons in the Ref section of an article. There's also a script by User:Headbomb/unreliable - another useful tool that uses highlight colors. I use the 2 together. Headbomb's script follows everywhere, whereas CiteUnseen is limited to the Ref section. Atsme 💬 📧 15:04, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-11T15:04:00.000Z","author":"Atsme","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Atsme-2021-06-11T15:04:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-11T14:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-11T15:13:00.000Z-Atsme-2021-06-11T15:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Ritchie333 and Atsme: I just hope I'm doing it right. Followed the instructions above. I'm not so tech savvy. Put me in a dog sled or task me with scaling a mountain and I'm there. ;-P --ARoseWolf 15:13, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-11T15:13:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-11T15:13:00.000Z-Atsme-2021-06-11T15:04:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Another one I really like is:

importScript('User:Gary/comments in local time.js');

It does exactly what you would expect it to do. Obviously in the UK the UTC default it's merely annoying seven months in the year, and then actually correct for the other five, but for anywhere else, doing the mental arithmetic to get back to UTC is a pain in the neck. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:46, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-11T14:46:00.000Z","author":"Ritchie333","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ritchie333-2021-06-11T14:46:00.000Z-Tools","replies":[]}}-->

Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on Talk:St. Joseph's Indian School. Thank you. Elizium23 (talk) 20:30, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-14T20:30:00.000Z","author":"Elizium23","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Elizium23-2021-06-14T20:30:00.000Z-June_2021","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-14T20:40:00.000Z-Elizium23-2021-06-14T20:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

Elizium23, excuse you? Throwing stones in a glass house much? --ARoseWolf 20:40, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-14T20:40:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-14T20:40:00.000Z-Elizium23-2021-06-14T20:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Elizium23-2021-06-14T20:41:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-14T20:40:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I believe that WP:RGW applies here. Elizium23 (talk) 20:41, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-14T20:41:00.000Z","author":"Elizium23","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Elizium23-2021-06-14T20:41:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-14T20:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-14T20:43:00.000Z-Elizium23-2021-06-14T20:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

Elizium23, no one is stopping you from pulling back if that's what you want to do. ;) --ARoseWolf 20:43, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-14T20:43:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-14T20:43:00.000Z-Elizium23-2021-06-14T20:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Elizium23-2021-06-14T20:44:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-14T20:43:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Are you insinuating that I have a conflict of interest here? Elizium23 (talk) 20:44, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-14T20:44:00.000Z","author":"Elizium23","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Elizium23-2021-06-14T20:44:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-14T20:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-14T21:01:00.000Z-Elizium23-2021-06-14T20:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

Elizium23, you mean bad faith like you insinuating that I view the school as intrinsically evil? Not at all. Only you know if you have a COI in this case. I am going to walk away from this and take a real walk. The clear air may do some good. Have a nice rest of your day. I will state that I don't believe you have edited in bad faith even if we disagree on the talk page. --ARoseWolf 21:01, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-14T21:01:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-14T21:01:00.000Z-Elizium23-2021-06-14T20:44:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

		The Original Barnstar
		Awarded for your many quality additions to and discussions on articles in the category of Indigenous peoples of the Americas. Awarded by Cdjp1 (talk) 17:46, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-16T17:46:00.000Z","author":"Cdjp1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cdjp1-2021-06-16T17:46:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_your_efforts","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you so much, Cdjp1. I apologize for not getting back to you sooner but I haven't felt well as of late. I appreciate your recognition, immensely, though I feel like I can never do enough to bring awareness of issues related to Indigenous peoples and cultures. I was taken away from that part of my heritage when I was still very small. I don't even remember my mother though. it may seem kind of weird but, I do remember her singing beside my crib. Or maybe she visited me as I was growing up and sat beside me as I slept, singing her songs over me. That's a nice thought. A comfort in itself, to know that my darkest days may still have contained something as sweet as an encounter with the woman who gave so much, her life even, that I might live. It also inspires me not to give up, never to give up, on the beauty of the world around me. Today may be a fight just to breathe but its worth the fight to see the snow-capped mountains bathed in sunlight, to hear the birds chirping their melodies and the sight and smell of vast evergreen forests filling the air with the scent of fir and spruce. The wild flowers in bloom in the meadows with their vibrant colours are simply gorgeous but the most beautiful things to me are the interactions with my fellow humanity. Thank you again for your kindness and for the recognition. --ARoseWolf 13:28, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-22T13:28:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-22T13:28:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_your_efforts","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Thank you for improving articles in June, with some impressions of places, flowers and music for you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:18, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-20T19:18:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-20T19:18:00.000Z-June_thanks","replies":[]}}-->

I send these going over WP:QAI, and saw that your rosy wild name is not there yet, - want to do that yourself? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:08, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-21T16:08:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-21T16:08:00.000Z-June_thanks","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-21T16:35:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-21T16:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

Gerda Arendt, Absolutely :) --ARoseWolf 16:35, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-21T16:35:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-21T16:35:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-21T16:08:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-21T21:22:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-21T16:35:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Now you'll get two flowers, or what, one for Tsi and one for ARW ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-21T21:22:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-21T21:22:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-21T16:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-22T13:09:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-21T21:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Gerda Arendt: I'll take a bouquet of those daisies. I love wild flowers. We put them in our braids sometimes. --ARoseWolf 13:09, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-22T13:09:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-22T13:09:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-21T21:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-22T13:24:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-22T13:09:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Now I imagine you braiding your hair putting flowers inside! - Back to the list: will you combine the two entries? (I don't have the courage to count how many are banned, blocked, left, - I don't need cheating by duplicate ;) ) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-22T13:24:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-22T13:24:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-22T13:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-22T13:33:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-22T13:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Gerda Arendt: Right, yes, okay, I will combine them. Despite the fact that my brothers would agree that I have a few personalities I don't think including them all in the list really benefits what you are doing that much. ;) --ARoseWolf 13:33, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-22T13:33:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-22T13:33:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-22T13:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-22T13:40:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-22T13:33:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

love the idea that you help in different ideas ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-22T13:40:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-22T13:40:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-22T13:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-22T13:45:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-22T13:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Gerda Arendt: Just another Aquarian free spirit. --ARoseWolf 13:45, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-22T13:45:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-22T13:45:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-22T13:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-22T13:50:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-22T13:45:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

great! - if you have time to listen to music, here's some played in March 2021 by friend GW and colleagues. He's - alterning with KS - doing introductions, mostly in English. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:50, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-22T13:50:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-22T13:50:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-22T13:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-22T14:16:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-22T13:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Gerda Arendt: I am in love with that!! Tell Graham that he has a new friend in Alaska (lol). --ARoseWolf 14:16, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-22T14:16:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-22T14:16:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-22T13:50:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

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Did you get that burger? How're you doing? I got cut off at straight up 5 o'clock, no surprise. Today I did call my Senator and she's gonna see what she can do. So fingers crossed my situation will resolve. Sending sunshine and rainbows to you and hoping for positive news. SusunW (talk) 20:57, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-22T20:57:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-06-22T20:57:00.000Z-Checking_on_you","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-23T12:39:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-06-22T20:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hello, SusunW. I love that you have sun in your name. Maybe I will just call you Sunshine. Thank you for checking in on me. I haven't gotten that burger yet but I am being told it should happen soon. I was about to be discharged yesterday when preliminary results showed that I was positive for acute leukemia. This is an initial observation but the final results will reveal more. I'm okay for now but I will have to start treatments as soon as today and that requires a month of isolation after starting. I don't know what they will allow me to bring but I really hope I can keep this laptop. I work Wikipedia kind of like a job, mostly researching during the day and making adjustments as I go. This could throw off my entire schedule but, given the circumstances, its a minute inconvenience. The biggest issue could possibly be a bone marrow donor but we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Chin up, press forward! Life's adventures are in the details, so live it! --ARoseWolf 12:39, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-23T12:39:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-23T12:39:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-06-22T20:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-06-23T13:11:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-23T12:39:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Having walked the walk through cancer treatments, I can say that it wasn't fun but it wasn't as bad as I thought it might be. The most important thing was having an amazing support network of friends and family. I used WP like a job, as well, to give me a routine and relieve stress. One of the reasons I avoid conflict on here, it's job is to be a fun outlet for me. I love that you see this journey as an adventure. I did as well, I even posted that somewhere. Hang in there. With any adventure there are good parts and bad, but focusing on the beauty and the good things and life is the way to go. {{hugs}} (For what it's worth, the Senator was amazing. The license went in the mail last night!) SusunW (talk) 13:11, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-23T13:11:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-06-23T13:11:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-23T12:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-23T13:23:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-06-23T13:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

@SusunW: Great news! I love it when it comes together and works out. It can be a struggle but the best things in life usually are. I'm going to climb my mountains again, very soon. --ARoseWolf 13:23, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-23T13:23:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-23T13:23:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-06-23T13:11:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I thought of you when I took these today! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:07, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-25T20:07:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-25T20:07:00.000Z-Checking_on_you","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-25T20:23:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-25T20:07:00.000Z","c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-25T20:28:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-25T20:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

Gerda, I love those. They are so beautiful. I am thrilled that you were able to get outside. I will be able to again. I am determined. I didn't do as much today. I've been hurting a little so its taken my concentration. I had my second round of both treatments. They are giving me one for three days and the other for seven days simultaneously. Then I get a week off before starting again. I can tell I'm very sluggish and tire more easily as the day has went on. The doctors said I will have to do this for four months so it doesn't look like I will see my mountains for a while. They said I'm a very sick girl. That may be but I love life and I'm a fighter. They are going to let my daughter come see me next week for a few hours. She's been asking all kinds of questions. I want her to braid my hair before I lose it. It make take a few weeks for it to start falling out. I've had short hair before but never lost it. Thank you for sending me these flowers. --ARoseWolf 20:23, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-25T20:23:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-25T20:23:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-25T20:07:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I love the darker spots on the petals. Looks like a spider made a nice home in that bush too. Such a wonderous display of nature. I can smell the fragrance. The perfect gift. --ARoseWolf 20:28, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-25T20:28:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-25T20:28:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-25T20:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-06-25T21:12:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-25T20:28:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I braided and donated mine before it all fell out. Actually researched if that would be problematic and was told that it wouldn't. Having donated my hair to Locks of Love for over 30 years, I wanted to be sure if I couldn't do it again, I'd make the last one count. My sister braided it for me and we whacked it off. A friend from Japan was visiting and she took it back to the US to donate for me. SusunW (talk) 21:12, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-25T21:12:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-06-25T21:12:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-25T20:28:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thought of you here yesterday, step by step, on a memorable day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:37, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-27T12:37:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-27T12:37:00.000Z-Checking_on_you","replies":[]}}-->

SusunW, you have no idea how thankful I am for you. Such an inspiration and I am grateful you came through your experience. I will probably have a lot more questions for you at some point. I did contact them about donating my hair. I let mine grow out and it is nearly down to the back of my knees so lots of it. I've had a couple of tired days, especially over the weekend, but that's not too uncommon for me. Feeling a bit of nervous energy too. I just think it is being where I am. It wears on me. I feel thin and stretched. Gerda Arendt, one step at a time but I am going to climb. Thank you for that reminder that its putting one foot in front of the other. I've faced so many challenges and probably shouldn't even be alive now but I am so I will do the most with the time I have and keep living, one minute at a time. GenQuest, thank you so much. Such a beautiful rose. It is precious to me. --ARoseWolf 13:11, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-28T13:11:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-28T13:11:00.000Z-Checking_on_you","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

ARoseWolf Keeping you in my heart. Take one day at a time, look for the beautiful moments, cast aside the hard ones, and be kind to you. Listen to your body. Treatment is different for everyone in my experience, so sometimes, you need a break. Doesn't mean stopping or giving up, just a pause. If you need one, don't be afraid to ask. Adventures often mean shifting directions. I'm here if you need me. SusunW (talk) 13:48, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-28T13:48:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-06-28T13:48:00.000Z-Checking_on_you","replies":[]}}-->

I just saw this thread, and my thoughts and prayers are with you, ARoseWolf. My neighbor here on Bonaire had a similar diagnosis several years ago. In the beginning, he had his ups and downs, pretty much what you described, but the treatments have worked wonders for him and I pray it will all work-out well for you, too. He travels quite a bit these days - which in and of itself can be very fatiguing. When he arrives here from the US, he takes a few days to recoup, closely follows the doctor's instructions, and then off he goes to explore and enjoy island life. I wish you only the best, and share Gerda's & SusunW's sentiments. Think positive thoughts, sweetie.❤️ Atsme 💬 📧 14:53, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-28T14:53:00.000Z","author":"Atsme","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Atsme-2021-06-28T14:53:00.000Z-Checking_on_you","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-28T15:22:00.000Z-Atsme-2021-06-28T14:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

SusunW, I have always been good about listening to others but have become acutely aware of my body over the last few years and learned to listen more closely. I talked to my brother and family this morning and he says I am grumpy today (lol). I told him if he didn't have my tanning racks built before I get back then I will be even more grumpy. Admittedly, I can be a bit feisty. They promised me new ones last winter but never got them built. I really need them for this next year. I have so much to do. Atsme, thank you so much. Your words are a significant encouragement. I've just begun my treatments with only one week into them. They thought I might have had leukemia two years ago but did the same tests and it came back different then so I have had undiagnosed issues for some time. I had really bad nose bleeds for years and even coughed up blood on occasions. They would analyze and run tests but never could find a reason. My mother died from similar issues but I'm not exactly sure what that was because she was never diagnosed with anything. I'm very much looking forward to remission and the transplant so I can get on with life. --ARoseWolf 15:22, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-28T15:22:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-28T15:22:00.000Z-Atsme-2021-06-28T14:53:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Just dropping in, I was reminded of an incident just over two years ago where I got sciatica from a trapped back nerve caused by 30 years of humping musical gear around. As the article says, with sources, "Sciatica is most common between the ages of 40 and 59, and men are more frequently affected than women." The doctor said it would go away of its own accord in a few weeks, but otherwise there's nothing they could do. I couldn't sit down or lie down and went for four days without sleep, and wondered if my musical career was over. Still, it did indeed get better, I have downsized my gear and am using soft cases (not as secure but more back friendly) and a dose of serious painkillers does make early Pink Floyd more fun to listen to. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:10, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-29T11:10:00.000Z","author":"Ritchie333","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ritchie333-2021-06-29T11:10:00.000Z-Checking_on_you","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-29T13:21:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2021-06-29T11:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ritchie333, that sounds so painful. I'm glad you found somewhat of a remedy and even more happy that your musical career is not over. Music is all around us all the time. The musician, the singer, the painter, the poet, the author, the dancer all have tapped into that energy and put it on display for us. I get the trippy experience without the heavy medication so listening to music is a particular joy. My problem is that I cant help but dance with the music. I'm such a child of the 60's born in the late 80's. Aquarius to my core. --ARoseWolf 13:21, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-29T13:21:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-29T13:21:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2021-06-29T11:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ritchie333-2021-06-29T14:31:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-29T13:21:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

In my case, music, and specifically performing on stage, is what transformed me from being a cross between a teenage Roy Trenneman and Maurice Moss into something people rather liked, and so I'll never give it up as it is part of who I am. You can get an idea of what music I like from my GAs, but I've played lots of the classic '60s soul and Motown repertoire for years. Anyway, enough about me. Having seen relatives succumb to cancer, and having donated to Cancer Research for most of my life, I'm not really sure what else I can say to be reassuring beyond what other people have said - but things ain't over 'till they're over, and as long as you have a fire and spark in you (and it certainly seems like you do), then hopefully that'll keep you going and get through this. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:31, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-29T14:31:00.000Z","author":"Ritchie333","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ritchie333-2021-06-29T14:31:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-29T13:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-06-29T14:42:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2021-06-29T14:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

It is impossible not to smile when one is dancing simply for expression (maybe if it's your job, it's possible). Music and dance transcend language and speak to our souls. SusunW (talk) 14:42, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-29T14:42:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-06-29T14:42:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2021-06-29T14:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-29T15:48:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-06-29T14:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

My Papa owned a general store here in Alaska, for many years. I was fortunate to work the store with him. He never treated it like a job though he always treated me like an employee when we walked through the front door. He was a fair man. His belief was that something only becomes a job if you hate doing it. If it is something you love then it is part of you like your DNA. Music, I believe, is part of our DNA. For me, colors and music are one and the same. Painting with colors is very much like a composer of a symphony. Because syllables can be like musical notes, poetry is like sheet music. I see colors and hear notes in every letter, even as we write here, if I allow myself to open up to it. Letters correspond to colors and colors correspond to notes which correspond to letters. Its a circle, much like life. It's not something I have to force or make happen. It just does. In fact, I have to force myself not to. So, for me, music, dance, singing and painting are a language of the Spirit inside us and that is part of our Life force. As to the fire inside me, it burns bright. I have a song still to sing and music yet to make, dreams to dream and paintings to paint. Our lives are poetry in action, a dance long anticipated before the foundations of the world, it will be seen but once. --ARoseWolf 15:48, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-29T15:48:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-29T15:48:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-06-29T14:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-29T15:58:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-29T15:48:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I hear you, I hear you!! - I came to say that I added, to my talk: missing SlimVirgin, and RMF festival opening, and to the collection more details about the music. The beginning of the Sibelius Violin Concerto: what the violin has to say could be a song to your mountain, - listen! (in the livestream, the soloist enters at 14:30) - I smiled when I read "grumpy" above, and at the same time, thunder rolled. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-29T15:58:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-29T15:58:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-06-29T15:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-29T17:21:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-29T15:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

Mmmmmm, Gerda, you are a joy, I declare. A thunderstorm rolling off the peaks. One of those you can hear for miles through the valley. I have stood upon the mountain with my hair in the wind facing the storm as it rolled in. I know it's name and I have faced its fierce gaze with one equally as determined. The thunder shakes and the sound upon the strings of my heart responds with a sound that resonates in Earth and Sky. The storm knows my name as well. The violin, as a stringed instrument, is one of my favorites. I love and play the cello. The eagles love its sound. I had one that would land on the ledge of the mountain near my home where I would go to dance and sing. My concert is always for them. I wonder if they miss me. --ARoseWolf 17:21, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-29T17:21:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-06-29T17:21:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-06-29T15:58:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

More roses for more joy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:12, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-01T22:12:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-01T22:12:00.000Z-Checking_on_you","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T12:12:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-01T22:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Gerda Arendt:, Those white roses are gorgeous. SO much joy. I changed up my user page look. I hope Phaedriel doesn't mind, wherever she is. I took her layout and modified it with some help. I wanted to give her credit though. Such an amazing person. I have been reading her contributions to help me get to know here a little. I was kind of hurting too much to really focus on updating any articles. I guess it's going to be like this. Ups and downs. My bones and joints have been hurting a little. It's more of a lingering pain than a sharp one. Joy fills my heart as morning comes. Time to Sing another song. --ARoseWolf 12:12, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-02T12:12:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T12:12:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-01T22:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-03T22:12:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T12:12:00.000Z","c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-04T11:35:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T12:12:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I took another pic thinking of you, with a ladybug - we call it Glückskäfer, a symbol of good luck. I'm too tired for uploading, after an extra article, Psalm 123 thinking of Yoninah who was honoured today by a special DYK set: her best hooks (discussion on her talk). justice and peace kissing - we wrote that together. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:12, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-03T22:12:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-03T22:12:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T12:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I uploaded it now and inserted it you know where (together with a mushroom dish), File:Ladybug on thistle.jpg, it would get a bit crowded here ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-04T11:35:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-04T11:35:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T12:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-07-04T20:17:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-04T11:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hmmmm, my last message to you disappeared. I thought maybe I failed to save it, but it's there in the history. Weird? At any rate, just checking in and hoping your pain has lessened a bit. It heartens me to see you popping up here and there, as I know that is a sign that you feel good enough to do it and the fight is still there. SusunW (talk) 20:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-04T20:17:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-07-04T20:17:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-04T11:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-05T16:18:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-04T20:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

SusunW, sorry the message disappeared. It's been a tough weekend. A lot of pain and naseau. They had to give me additional platelets. The last few days have been the most difficult so far. I appreciate all the well wishes here. --ARoseWolf 16:18, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-05T16:18:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":14,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-05T16:18:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-04T20:17:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

RoseWolf - I only learned of this challenge that the Great Spirit has tasked you with, and I was at a complete loss for words. Still, today, I feel I must let you know that my heart, my prayers, and all my best wishes are with you. I have faith that you will find your way to the other side of this difficult path, and I know you'll be stronger for it. You have all my undying and heartfelt thoughts with you. — Ched (talk) 20:57, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-04T20:57:00.000Z","author":"Ched","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ched-2021-07-04T20:57:00.000Z-Checking_on_you","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-07-05T16:25:00.000Z-Ched-2021-07-04T20:57:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014 Ched"}}-->

Know that you are in my thoughts. Know that there is sunshine on the other side. I hope that this period of extreme discomfort will abate. (In my case, it came and went in waves and fortunately was not prolonged more than I could bear). Sending you strength and energy through the cosmos. SusunW (talk) 16:25, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-05T16:25:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-07-05T16:25:00.000Z-Ched-2021-07-04T20:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-06T14:25:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-05T16:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

So, the process forward is that I start another round of chemo this week. After that they will take a bone marrow sample. If the results show me heading in the right direction then they will keep me for two weeks and then release me to go home. If the sample reveals a continuation of the leukemia then I may have a third chemo round and that's when they will seek a bone marrow transplant. --ARoseWolf 14:25, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-06T14:25:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-06T14:25:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-05T16:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-07-06T14:44:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-06T14:25:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Thank you for the update ARoseWolf. Let's hope that the two rounds of chemo will have you headed in the right direction. SusunW (talk) 14:44, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-06T14:44:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-07-06T14:44:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-06T14:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-06T14:55:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-06T14:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you, Susun and Gerda. Right now the biggest concern is that I have almost no protection against anything. I get a couple of sores on my lips and a few other places but they said that's just from having no immune system to speak of. The medical staff have done an amazing job so far. My white cell count has been hovering around .5 or .6 though it was as low as .1 over the past week. Average is between 4.5 and 11. --ARoseWolf 14:55, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-06T14:55:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-06T14:55:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-06T14:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-08T22:19:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-06T14:55:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Best wishes! - I was pleasantly busy listening to opera again, look at this smile, for you. She was Blanche in Poulenc's Dialogues, and the fantastic young conductor, Giedrė Šlekytė, has no article yet in English. Bedtime, more to come. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-08T22:19:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-08T22:19:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-06T14:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-09T13:46:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-08T22:19:00.000Z"]}}-->

Gerda, Beautiful! I hope you enjoyed your time at the opera again. I simply love the beauty we can create with our voices. There are so many that probably don't have an article that should. I trust you rested well and yes, please, more. :) --ARoseWolf 13:46, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-09T13:46:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-09T13:46:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-08T22:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-09T14:09:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-09T13:46:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

There will be new articles for the conductors, a singer in Inferno, and the director of Dialogues (who was on my to-do-list anyway). Some of the young singers perhaps later. Next opera tomorrow!! just keep watching, but for all weekend I will be mostly off, travel and family gathering - my brother is playing in the orchestra, as he was for Der Ring in Minden, one of two to play the first note. Same marvellous singers announced. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:09, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-09T14:09:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-09T14:09:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-09T13:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-09T14:24:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-09T14:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Gerda Arendt: I will be watching intently! Please be safe on your journey's and bring me back lots of details. I am sending so much love your way, my friend. --ARoseWolf 14:24, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-09T14:24:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-09T14:24:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-09T14:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-09T20:30:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-09T14:24:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I felt it coming, thank you so much - I was out, pics to come but may take to Monday, I have a few things waiting that I need to do today. If you want to meet another user, how about Brianboulton, birthday 4 July? Carmen was already TFA this year, and now its lead image will come up as today's featured picture. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:30, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-09T20:30:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-09T20:30:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-09T14:24:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for your comments on my work at St. Joseph's Indian School. Seeing the above thread, I wish you all the best in your path, and hope you continue to work with us here. Art and music of many sorts do lift us, and we are part of "the sun and moon and even all the stars". I hope you can see your beloved mountains from your windows; they are with you always, no matter what.Parkwells (talk) 22:17, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-01T22:17:00.000Z","author":"Parkwells","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Parkwells-2021-07-01T22:17:00.000Z-Thank_you_and_wishing_you_well","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T12:36:00.000Z-Parkwells-2021-07-01T22:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

Parkwells, you are most welcome. Thank you for your well wishes. I'm not going anywhere but I have up and down days. Some days I may do more here and others I may do less. I love Wikipedia a lot though. I don't plan on leaving. I won't see my mountains for a while it seems. The flights back and forth for treatment would cost a fortune. They are in my heart. I miss the land. --ARoseWolf 12:36, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-02T12:36:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T12:36:00.000Z-Parkwells-2021-07-01T22:17:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Just a word to let you know that I really welcome your comments on my talk page. It's really good to see you take an interest in what I am doing. I must say you are great at encouraging new editors both on my page and elsewhere. I see you are no longer officially Tsistunagiska but I thought it was a great name while it lasted. I've also seen you have started telling people you are Asareel and I remember you told us about other names you had been called when you were a child in Italy. Quite a mystery -- but an interesting mystery to be solved in due course. To change the subject, I was really sorry to hear you were suffering from leukemia. I hope the prognosis is good. When I was in hospital having an operation at the beginning of last year, I also continued to write articles on Wikipedia. The doctors thought I was crazy but it helped to keep my spirits up and no one noticed any lack of activity. I know quite a number of people who have fully recovered from cancer and the like -- so keep smiling! And let me know when you are ready to create more women's biographies. We can work on them together.--Ipigott (talk) 16:30, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-02T16:30:00.000Z","author":"Ipigott","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ipigott-2021-07-02T16:30:00.000Z-Keeping_track","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T16:39:00.000Z-Ipigott-2021-07-02T16:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ipigott, I assume that was my middle name, Genevieve. My Papa and Grandfather used that quite often growing up. I got into trouble a lot, childish things really. I was very adventurous, especially after coming to Montana and Alaska. I was given a different name at birth. My parents wanted me to have an English and a Cherokee name but when my mother died my father pretty much gave up on life. That's how I ended up in Italy. It's a long winding story back to Germany and World War II but that's where my father and Papa's family originated as part of the Jewish community. After being adopted by my uncle and aunt they had my name changed to Asareel Genevieve and its kind of stuck with me since, even after learning of my true heritage and birth names. --ARoseWolf 16:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-02T16:39:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T16:39:00.000Z-Ipigott-2021-07-02T16:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T16:48:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T16:39:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I have three brothers and four sisters (Jeremiah, Sarai, Jael, Atarah, Gabriel, Zemira and Micah). Jimi and Micah live with me here. Jimi has a wife, Camille, and they have four children (Melody, Corrie, Jonathan and Luke). My daughter's name is Ariana, she's almost 10 now. My adoption of her was finalized over a year ago.--ARoseWolf 16:48, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-02T16:48:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T16:48:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T16:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T17:02:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T16:48:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Somethings are better left a mystery while others I have no issue sharing. I often have cautioned others on other platforms where I have conversed socially, Wikipedia not one of them beyond what I have, that I've held poachers at gunpoint and hunted most everything with four or two legs that have walked on our land at some point. I love my isolation when I need or want it but we are social creatures and we love communication so I don't mind offering what knowledge I can. In regards to welcoming others to Wikipedia, I feel it is, perhaps, the single most important thing anyone can do. We create great masterpieces of art and literature at amazing paces. I am impressed by the number of articles one editor can make in a week or month. But if we can build an encyclopedia that fosters creativity through kindness and acceptance then we can reach heights and depths we have never been and have influences on places we may never be able to go. A few simple words of kindness is all it takes to make a start. --ARoseWolf 17:02, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-02T17:02:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T17:02:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T16:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ipigott-2021-07-02T17:07:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T17:02:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Thanks for reviving my memory. You really should start writing your autobiography. I have helped several writers publish their first works. If you want me to help you along, we could communicate by email. It looks like a great story which needs to be told.--Ipigott (talk) 17:07, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-02T17:07:00.000Z","author":"Ipigott","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ipigott-2021-07-02T17:07:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T17:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T17:12:00.000Z-Ipigott-2021-07-02T17:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ipigott, I'd love to do that. I have kept journals since I was about 10 years old. I probably have a hundred or more. It was my Mama's remedy for what she felt was a restless Spirit. My grandmother wanted me to explore so she was the one who took me places and fostered that side of me. --ARoseWolf 17:12, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-02T17:12:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T17:12:00.000Z-Ipigott-2021-07-02T17:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ipigott-2021-07-02T17:54:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T17:12:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Thar sounds great. My email is ipigott at yahoo dot com (as stated on my user page). Drop me an email message and we can start working on a development strategy. For your information, I never ask for any financial compensation for my assistance. I'm just happy to help people along -- as on Wikipedia. In my professional life, I have helped with projects involving Nazi concentration camps, especially Stutthof. One of my closest friends while in Canada, was a Pole who survived Nazi incarceration. I could continue... --Ipigott (talk) 17:54, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-02T17:54:00.000Z","author":"Ipigott","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Ipigott-2021-07-02T17:54:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-02T17:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Others are better with words than I could ever hope to be; however, I did want you to know that I care too. I offer the following:

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  Fresh cut rose with one of my wolf statues
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  Another one of my wolf statues with a rose
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  One of my bigger wolf statues - but not the right expression.
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  One of our roses in the wild.
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  cropped from original with a bit of photoshop work

— Ched (talk) 00:08, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-07T00:08:00.000Z","author":"Ched","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ched-2021-07-07T00:08:00.000Z-A_gift_for_you","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-07T12:13:00.000Z-Ched-2021-07-07T00:08:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014 Ched"}}-->

@Ched: Wow, I am humbled by this. I love the wolves with the rose the best. You sculpted these yourself? --ARoseWolf 12:13, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-07T12:13:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-07T12:13:00.000Z-Ched-2021-07-07T00:08:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-07T12:19:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-07T12:13:00.000Z","c-Ched-2021-07-07T15:15:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-07T12:13:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

The color of those roses outside are amazing. So vibrant. I'm seeing a bluish pink, purple, and red mix of color in them. They are beautiful. I can smell their petals. So pretty. --ARoseWolf 12:19, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-07T12:19:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-07T12:19:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-07T12:13:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Oh heavens no .. I just took the pics. Picked up the roses when I was out shopping, had the idea a few days ago, and it gave me an excuse to use my Nikon. I saw you were going through some tough times, and just wanted to try to give you a reason to smile a little. — Ched (talk) 15:15, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-07T15:15:00.000Z","author":"Ched","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ched-2021-07-07T15:15:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-07T12:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-07T15:30:00.000Z-Ched-2021-07-07T15:15:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014 Ched"}}-->

I am so touched that you would think about doing this for me. I love my Nikon camera. I hope you don't mind that I saved them and sent them to my sister-in-law back home. It was very sweet of you and made my day very bright when I saw them. Thank you, Ched. --ARoseWolf 15:30, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-07T15:30:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-07T15:30:00.000Z-Ched-2021-07-07T15:15:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Hello Asareel

Thank you for your kind message on my article on Mary Beth Heffernan (Artist). which was approved.

Happy you added WIR project tag to the talk page!

I will certainly watch the project Women in Red and keep in touch.

Many thanks again!

@Amanda scott:, thank you for responding and you are most welcome. I was taught a long time ago that it doesn't cost me anything to be nice. I am a firm believer that a little kindness can and will go a long way towards building strong relationships between people. I also understand the difficulties of trying to get articles into main space and I believe you did excellent work with this article. Feel free to join the project if you wish. We very much value every voice. Happy editing, Amanda. It is so great to meet you. --ARoseWolf 15:57, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-07T15:57:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-07T15:57:00.000Z-Mary_Beth_Heffernan_(artist)","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Hi, I think you completely misinterpreted my last few posts. I posted a url link earlier in this post to an article with evidence and history on the history of women and medical education in the United States. I think you missed that, and assumed I was just talking about the article on Cornelia by itself. When I made this later post about you not reading I was referring to this url linked article from my earlier comment to you: https://www.encyclopedia.com/science/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/medical-education-women-during-nineteenth-century

I was not accusing you of having not read the article on Cornelia Chase Brant. Please know I respect you as an editor. I think this was just a case of you not seeing the url link I had posted. Best.4meter4 (talk) 16:36, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-09T16:36:00.000Z","author":"4meter4","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-4meter4-2021-07-09T16:36:00.000Z-Miscommunication","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-09T17:34:00.000Z-4meter4-2021-07-09T16:36:00.000Z","c-DGG-2021-07-11T23:48:00.000Z-4meter4-2021-07-09T16:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

4meter4, I had not seen the article link you posted but, having read it some things jump out to me. The use of "many" in this sense is potentially misleading. According to the link, by the late 1860's there were three women's medical schools and "several" co-educational schools offering medical degrees but it never lists them and never states what its sources are to determine what "several" means. In the article on the Women's Medical College of Pennsylvania it very clearly states it was the second institution to offer a M.D. degree for women. Yes, it was founded in 1850 and began offering medical degrees to women at that time. The article link you posted only mentions five institutions after the 1860's that it highlighted as offering medical degrees (Harvard, University of Michigan, University of California, Syracuse University, Georgetown and John Hopkins) to women. After rioting, Harvard rescinded and the women currently enrolled dropped out. Harvard did not allow women in the medical program again until 1945. While it only mentioned these five institutions it said that coeducation was becoming more common however they do not include inline citations so it is hard to see where they obtained their sources to determine this nor do they reference any statistics to show just what threshold was met to determine something has become "more common". More common than what? The article claims that between 1870 and 1900, the number of women that had received a medical degree and were practicing had grown from 500 to 7,000. Do the math and that is only an average of 216 doctors a year nationwide over that 30 year span. I wouldn't call that a significant number once the facts are laid out. I think we can also agree that if only 4% of medical degrees given in any single year went to women that doesn't represent a high number and it can be disputed that this is the indication that the practice was becoming significantly "more common", especially since it had lowered to only 2 to 3% by 1904. As to your comments directed at me, I don't take them personal. I stated my peace and I walked away from the AfD. I do not intend to return to that AfD. The results will be what they are. Best to you. --ARoseWolf 17:34, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-09T17:34:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-09T17:34:00.000Z-4meter4-2021-07-09T16:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-4meter4-2021-07-09T18:09:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-09T17:34:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Rosewolf, I didn’t make any comments directed at you other than starting that you didn’t read the article I posted and were ignoring evidence, which you just admitted was the case. I think you owe me an apology for lashing out at me in anger and accusing me of not being civil, when clearly I was a pointing out a mistake on your part which you did in fact make. Lastly, the statistical evidence in this article: http://beckerexhibits.wustl.edu/mowihsp/health/medcoedus.htm#:~:text=It%20was%20many%20years%20before,97%20(61%25)%20admitted%20women. states that 61% of all medical schools in the United States admitted women in 1904. So I think the use of the word “many” by the author in the article I posted was neither misleading or inappropriate but accurate. Yes, graduate numbers were smaller. And yes there were increasing barriers for women. Nobody disagrees with you. And I voted keep from the beginning with this AFD. Can’t you just simply admit that you made some assertions which were inaccurate, learn for from the evidence, and be nice to the people who are taking the time to dialogue with you when you make a mistake? I just don’t get the hostility here.4meter4 (talk) 18:09, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-09T18:09:00.000Z","author":"4meter4","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-4meter4-2021-07-09T18:09:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-09T17:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-09T19:05:00.000Z-4meter4-2021-07-09T18:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

4meter4, there is no hostility on my part. It is hard to say I am ignoring something I haven't read so your claims were baseless in the beginning. The fact that I now dispute that the evidence shows a significant increase in women gaining accredited medical degrees that allowed them to practice medicine once they graduated without being provided the sources and raw date used to make those claims is not ignoring either. I am asking for a source that shows this represented a significant leap forward in women's education or that justifies that a woman who received a medical degree, was able to overcome every hurdle that women had to once they graduated, and was able to make a meaningful career from this somehow became common in the late 1800's and early 1900's. As opposed to what? I would need to see raw data and comparisons to make that assessment. The link provided by Joelle does not mention total number of colleges and universities in the US in 1904 that offered accredited medical degrees vs how many accepted women. It only mentions medical schools which was 160, of which 61% did accept women. That is a fact. There were potentially thousands of institutions in the US at this time. 160 is just a fraction and the 97 that accepted women is an even smaller number. Perhaps the overall number would show what you are trying to assert here. Perhaps it wouldn't. We don't know because they don't provide their direct sources. As to your comments that were directed at me. I did believe your were uncivil, initially, but when you came here and asserted that there was miscommunication I did agree with you. If you want a formal apology for that then you have it, I apologize for not knowing you were referring to the link you provided and making assertions you were talking about the article being discussed at the AfD. I still do not believe it should be common (there is that word again) practice to question another editor and then try to find out if there was miscommunication after the fact. The "A" in AfD is "Article". We are discussing the notability of a subject in said article. That is what I focus on. The link you provided is to a source for your argument that is not in the article in question. Had it been called a source for your argument I would have known what you meant. The course of action you chose for this AfD is irrelevant to the discussion we had. I am genuinely sorry if I offended you with my being straightforward in defense against comments I felt at the time were uncivil. I wont comment on any further assertions you have made about me and choose to drop this conversation where it is unless you wish to continue. I leave that up to your discretion. Have a great rest of your day. :) --ARoseWolf 19:05, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-09T19:05:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-09T19:05:00.000Z-4meter4-2021-07-09T18:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-09T19:24:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-09T19:05:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

4meter4, Let me also add that nothing you have said or done has diminished my respect for you as a person or my belief that you are an amazing editor and a positive part of this community. In no way does it challenge your importance to the encyclopedia or denote any form of hostility going forward. I have had discussions with many like this before. I respect them and have worked with them since. It's a personal disagreement of what these particular sources are saying and the significance of what they are saying. I don't think either of us need to apologize for our personal positions on that matter. I am not trying to convince you to change or alter your opinions. --ARoseWolf 19:24, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-09T19:24:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-09T19:24:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-09T19:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-4meter4-2021-07-09T20:59:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-09T19:24:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I think you are being a bit disingenuous. I clearly posted an article for you to read with a blue url link, and you simply mis read my post and proceeded to react out of that misunderstanding. It wasn't my claim that was baseless, but your response to my post that missed the url link in that post. I in turn thought you had seen the article, and chose to not read it and made my comment about ignoring information. Regardless, it's just best we let this go. Lastly, I think the "raw data" you are asking for as evidence is not realistically available or recreatable within historic research. That kind of data can only be generated through qualitative research using carefully designed surveys with living subjects. That sort of study wasn't even being done until the 1980s in small pockets, and really didn't start becoming more accepted in academia until the last 20 years. Unfortunately 19th and 20th century researchers were not asking those kinds of questions while these women were alive, and there is no way to realistically generate data of that nature today. We can document the stories of individual historical women and their careers if they left diaries, letters, etc. which address those kinds of questions, and try to make those narratives representative of women as a whole. But asking for raw data across women doctors of this era about their lived experience within their careers is not possible for any researcher and study. Best.4meter4 (talk) 20:59, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-09T20:59:00.000Z","author":"4meter4","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-4meter4-2021-07-09T20:59:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-09T19:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-4meter4-2021-07-09T22:43:00.000Z-4meter4-2021-07-09T20:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

One more comment, the assertion that there were potentially thousands of medical schools in the United States is ridiculous. There have never been even 200 med schools at any one time in the United States in its entire history. Even today we only have 154 M.D. programs and 38 D.O. programs in the United States. We have a verified and exacting number of medical schools in the United States from 1904: 160 schools. No more, no less. The Flexner Report was thorough and comprehensive in its report, and its accuracy is widely accepted in historical research. Of those 160 extent schools, 91 accepted women.4meter4 (talk) 22:43, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-09T22:43:00.000Z","author":"4meter4","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-4meter4-2021-07-09T22:43:00.000Z-4meter4-2021-07-09T20:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-10T00:02:00.000Z-4meter4-2021-07-09T22:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

4meter4, If you feel I am being disingenuous then why post anything after that? You may have made good points after your accusational statement but you have now lost me as an audience. I would never accuse you as being disingenuous, especially if you directly stated you were being genuine. Please don't respond. I really wish you the best and up to this point I have lost no respect for you. --ARoseWolf 00:02, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-10T00:02:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-10T00:02:00.000Z-4meter4-2021-07-09T22:43:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I came across this by accident. One of the was to prevent disagreements of this sort is to avoid the use of vague adjectives. "Many" is a term that has no exact definition. For example, as there became an increasing number of women who were physicians, the least ambiguous way to show this is not to rely on wording, but to give briefly the numbers. The reader can decide on the significance. There may often not be full data year by year, or it may be necessary to summarize. but this can still be done with some quantitative information decade by decade, or for whatever data points are available. A further way to clarify the significance is to use comparative data: show the increase as compared to the increase in other professions, such as law, or as compared to other countries. As 4meter4 says, this still leaves ambiguities that require further analysis and where there may well be insufficient data--in this instance, for example, how many of them continued to practice full time for how many years; how much did they earn; in which fields did they practice; how many of them were also married; how many had children; how many d husbands also physicians. There is probably also inadequate data that might explain motivations: howmany were from families where their fathers may have been physicians; what were their social class and ethnic origins; whcih colleges and preparatory schools did they attend. And raw numbers sometimes need further breakdown: of the 91/160 who accepted women in 1904, what were the proportions? How did the total and percentage figures vary after that from year to year? Was there an effect from each of the two world wars?

All this is complementary to the biographical data on individuals: for those where we know details from autobiographies of historical research, how representative were they? Throughout much of history there were professions, like medicine, where there were some, but very few women, and a focus on these exceptional individuals can be misleading. But on the other hand such biographies can be the only way of getting at psychological and social factors.

T:here's something else, which I can only ask about, because i have never seen information: during the period before Flexner, there were a considerable number of low quality medical schools before and after Flexner, and continuing to our day there have been quasi-medical and alternative-medicine fields. To what extent did women participate in them? If they did, was it because they could not get admitted to orthodox routes, or because they were more open to alternative practices? A \ DGG ( talk ) 23:48, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-11T23:48:00.000Z","author":"DGG","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DGG-2021-07-11T23:48:00.000Z-4meter4-2021-07-09T16:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-12T13:39:00.000Z-DGG-2021-07-11T23:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you, DGG, but it didn't help that I was in pain and I should have just walked away from the conversation when I needed to. 4meter4 is an extremely intelligent and valuable editor here and I used very vague descriptors, too, that probably shouldn't have been used. That being said, I was not being disingenuous with anything I said. Had I meant anything sarcastic I would have said so. Nothing women faced in that day was common or simple. I pointed out the year that the Nineteenth amendment was passed in the US because up to 1848 women couldn't even own land and some of those sentiments extended into the early to mid-20th century as well. The hurdles and obstacles a woman had to overcome just to get an education, let alone, become a successful entrepreneur or professional in whatever field she wanted to go into were astounding. Then she faced the uphill battle of overcoming the stereotyping and stigmatizations of others for not following the "acceptable path" a woman should follow. This resurged in the mid-20th century. Most of this happened pre-internet and there were few sympathetic media sources one can draw upon. As you have stated, the numbers are not always as they seem. There are many factors involved here and focusing on one set of numbers as a means to say it had seemingly become commonplace is where I took issue. It may not have been as difficult as prior to 1848 but it was still not common. A great example of this is the ridicule that Isabel Cobb faced from peers in medical journals for accepting non-monetary means of payment for services she gave to Cherokee and Muscogee people in Indian Country during the turn of the 19th century. Women, in any profession, were regarded as second class throughout the late 19th and early 20th centuries. All I wanted from the conversation was a further breakdown because it seemed too easy to just say, well, 61% of medical schools accepted women so that's a majority. It, likewise, felt too easy to say women doctors jumped from 500 to 7000 over three decades and that's proof it had become a common occurrence. If 4% of medical graduates in a single year were women then that meant 96% were not women. That was my point. These numbers alone would denote it was an amazing feat for a woman to overcome all the obstacles, adversities and social pressures to start and complete medical school earning a degree and then become successful at a medical profession as a M.D. or general practitioner, period. --ARoseWolf 13:39, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-12T13:39:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-12T13:39:00.000Z-DGG-2021-07-11T23:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-DGG-2021-07-13T03:50:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-12T13:39:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

ARoseWolf, yes, I understand. Personally, most of the women I know from the generation before mine were labor activists. Even in my own generation, I've know a number of women physicians who entered the profession after allied careers as social workers, lab technicians, and the like.

But I've seen your note below, and I deeply wish there were something helpful I could offer. DGG ( talk ) 03:50, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-13T03:50:00.000Z","author":"DGG","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-DGG-2021-07-13T03:50:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-12T13:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T12:34:00.000Z-DGG-2021-07-13T03:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

DGG, thank you for the thought. The best thing anyone can do for me is to just keep living and being who you are. Learn and grow as people and be kind to one another. --ARoseWolf 12:34, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-13T12:34:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T12:34:00.000Z-DGG-2021-07-13T03:50:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

They took another bone marrow sample. Both treatments have failed. Brian and my brothers flew down yesterday and we are meeting with the doctors today to see what the next step is. I just wanted to let my friends here know the status. --ARoseWolf 13:57, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-12T13:57:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-12T13:57:00.000Z-Update","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-07-13T12:50:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-12T13:57:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Look in your mind's eye and you will see me sitting there with you holding your hand, passing the strength from my body to yours. It's okay to be scared on the adventure (I change meds today with great trepidation), but, stay strong, continue fighting and singing as long as you are able. SusunW (talk) 12:50, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-13T12:50:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-07-13T12:50:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-12T13:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

My thoughts are with you, and were during a family gathering (hard core) over the weekend with much music and good meetings, when I took the pic of another rose, - look and see what's healthy for you. Our parents celebrated their 50th anniversary in the church that now had a baptism (same nice woman for pastor, same song). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:59, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-13T12:59:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-13T12:59:00.000Z-Update","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T13:32:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-13T12:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you! This is exactly what I needed. I dreamed about going to the opera with you, Gerda. Oh, the tones and notes were lovely. I wanted to dance again as I did when I was a teen taking ballet. Such an amazing experience walking through the garden and smelling all the flowers in bloom. Such a beautiful chat as we sat on a bench and bees zoomed around us collecting their pollen. And then I dreamed of visiting with you, Susun, for a cup of tea and a nice chat about our travels and experiences. We took a hike to some of your favorite places. And you have such beautiful cats. I think they would like me. I know mine misses her Mama. I got on a call with my daughter and Persephone was meowing so loud when she heard my voice, even rubbed her face on the mic and was purring. I bet my pups miss me too. It can get scary, not knowing, but the adventure of life is worth the pains. We don't often get to choose our path in life but we can determine how we view it and, to some degree, how we respond to it. I choose to live. My Song will not end this way. They have decided to go for a third round with some changeups. It's a different type of chemo focused on a different type of leukemia cell. They believe there is a correct combination but we have to find it. We will find it and I will beat this but I will need and am so thankful for your love, support and kind words. They keep me strong. Thank you both for the visit last night and I cant wait for more. --ARoseWolf 13:32, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-13T13:32:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T13:32:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-13T12:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-13T13:54:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T13:32:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I love your dreams! Just don't think I live in that park with cats like that ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:54, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-13T13:54:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-13T13:54:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T13:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T14:02:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-13T13:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Gerda Arendt: Haha! I can think of worse situations. --ARoseWolf 14:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-13T14:02:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T14:02:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-13T13:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-07-13T14:05:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T14:02:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

(edit conflict) "They believe there is a correct combination but we have to find it" sounds very much like, "we have found that changing your meds offers better odds" (well in Spanish, of course LOL). Does your hospital allow your critters to visit (some do)? My nurse cat, Rusty (whom my house manager calls oxidado), always seems to know when I need his gentle presence. The adventure is definitely worth whatever obstacles are tossed in the path. I am a firm believer that we never learn anything if we don't make mistakes or have to overcome challenges. It is all about letting go of striving for perfection and instead celebrating opportunities. SusunW (talk) 14:05, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-13T14:05:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-07-13T14:05:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T14:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T15:00:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-13T14:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

SusunW, It could be that. I'm not sure how chemotherapy works but its hard for me to see how any treatment would not kill something. I probably need to ask more questions. The doctor will be making a round today so maybe I will ask that very thing. I suspect that its not killing enough cancer cells and that's why they are switching up. They are giving me only one treatment, rather than two concurrently, this time and it will be for five days as opposed to seven. They start today. We'll see how it goes. --ARoseWolf 15:00, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-13T15:00:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T15:00:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-13T14:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-07-13T15:18:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T15:00:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I like you, have no idea how it works, but am sure that varying the cocktail changes things. SusunW (talk) 15:18, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-13T15:18:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-07-13T15:18:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T15:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T15:28:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-13T15:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

SusunW, no doubt, and that's what causes my apprehension. Nothing I can really do about it but it still causes some uneasiness. --ARoseWolf 15:28, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-13T15:28:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T15:28:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-13T15:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-07-13T15:51:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T15:28:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Yep, as I said, they changed my meds today. Last time I had a ton of weird side effects, who knows what will happen this time? It will unfold as it does and I will adjust. SusunW (talk) 15:51, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-13T15:51:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-07-13T15:51:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T15:28:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

All my prayers ARW. You remain in my thoughts, and I know you will win this. — Ched (talk) 15:56, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-13T15:56:00.000Z","author":"Ched","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ched-2021-07-13T15:56:00.000Z-Update","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T16:52:00.000Z-Ched-2021-07-13T15:56:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014 Ched"}}-->

Thank you all for your prayers, thoughts and well wishes. It means so much. Please, please please, keep them coming. SusunW, you are amazing! I know you will adjust as you always do. I am here for you as you are here for me. --ARoseWolf 16:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-13T16:52:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T16:52:00.000Z-Ched-2021-07-13T15:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T19:53:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T16:52:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

@Gerda Arendt and SusunW: I got so sick suddenly. I'm taking a break for a few hours and I'll be back on the encyclopedia. Much Love! --ARoseWolf 19:53, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-13T19:53:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T19:53:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T16:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-07-14T13:04:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T19:53:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

How are you doing? Hoping you wake feisty and singing. I am drinking coffee on the patio and a flock of parrots just flew overhead. So far, no noticeable side effects. SusunW (talk) 13:04, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-14T13:04:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-07-14T13:04:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T19:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-14T13:55:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-14T13:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

SusunW, It was difficult for a few hours there. This new treatment hit me hard but Asareel never stays down for long. Come back up fighting (lol). I'm always a little feisty, I'm an Aquarian. Not just that but my birthday is February 14th so I'm a Valentine Aquarian. Ha! Love, Peace, Joy, Wisdom, Life, Passion, Creativity - These are the aspects of who we are as humans. They also correspond with a color of the Rainbow and, as I hear it, a musical note in the Song of Life that we all play on the strings of our existence. Our Song's are unique but they are the same notes as all other humans have been before us. Sometimes we are so impacted by other Song's that part of their Song becomes part of ours. This is how they live on. Even though they may be gone from our lives, they are still with us. Even though, one day, no one will specifically remember the sound of their Song the same notes will remain because they are a part of all of us. The same colors will still paint our lives and those that follow. I love meditation and the songs that are born from it. :)--ARoseWolf 13:55, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-14T13:55:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-14T13:55:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-14T13:04:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I'm working on my next little project though. Anyone with a geological prowess or a desire to help, provided you aren't swamped with your projects which are more important for sure, is welcome to help, User:ARoseWolf/Wild River (Alaska). Most of my knowledge is first hand which doesn't help much in the grand scheme of things, however I have found some good sources, mostly government sources and topographic maps. --ARoseWolf 16:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-13T16:52:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T16:52:00.000Z-Wild_River","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T17:33:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T16:52:00.000Z","c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T17:41:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T16:52:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

My hope is to eventually include an article on Wild Lake (Alaska) but that will be some time in the future. --ARoseWolf 17:33, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-13T17:33:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T17:33:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T16:52:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

We have a float plane base on the southwestern shore of the lake and a gravel air strip on the southeastern shore near the creek that ran from the old mine. There is a smaller airstrip further up the creek on the north side but its never used anymore. Most of the heavy equipment is on the eastern shore of the lake. We use ATV's during Summer and dogsleds during Winter to keep trails clear. Most of the housing and supplementary buildings are on the western side of the lake though we have cabins located in multiple locations around the lake, the valley and up into the surrounding mountains. --ARoseWolf 17:41, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-13T17:41:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T17:41:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-13T16:52:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

On DYK today, as you noticed, two songs as if especially for you, a morning song that a cousin gave to me, about the many meanings of rising, and the other praying for courage to take the necessary steps. The morning song is a GA, - there should be more given my initials, but I also want to care for articles of those who recently died (now Esther Béjarano), and of psalms in memory of Yoninah, - more missing than there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:24, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-16T16:24:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-16T16:24:00.000Z-July_corner","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-16T19:16:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-16T16:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

Gerda Arendt, Muuuuaaaahhhh!(blowing a kiss) You are a blessing, my friend. A light so bright I need to put my shades on just to see your face. Keep singing, Gerda. I hear you! --ARoseWolf 19:16, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-16T19:16:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-16T19:16:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-16T16:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-16T19:18:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-16T19:16:00.000Z","c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-16T22:38:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-16T19:16:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

kiss well received! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:18, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-16T19:18:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-16T19:18:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-16T19:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

... and uploaded: dawn with fog, bellflowers, a mushroom (later eaten), a fish-dish in an artificial beach setting and - rainbows above the Rhine with high water --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-16T22:38:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-16T22:38:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-16T19:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I have read with interest your talk page and contributions for a long time, though I don't know if we have interacted before. Your grace is admirable. This quote, I found a day or two ago, reminds me of you; it was written in the context of lesbian (auto)biography and historiography, but it resonates with indigenous and other history-making, too.

"There's a difference between writing history and rewriting it, between documenting and romanticizing, and I don't think we know the difference yet." —Julia Penelope, "Whose past are we reclaiming?", off our backs, 1993, 23(8).

Hope you're well. Urve (talk) 13:40, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-17T13:40:00.000Z","author":"Urve","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Urve-2021-07-17T13:40:00.000Z-Thinking_of_you","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-17T17:31:00.000Z-Urve-2021-07-17T13:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

Urve, Your words honor me greatly. We may have an impact on others in ways we never know but if you have thought of me then we have interacted in even the smallest of ways. My hope is not just that my Song would have a lasted affect on my fellow humanity but that I would be willing to listen and allow others to impact me. That is how we evolve and grow our character. Your Song has done this. Thank you, Rainbow. --ARoseWolf 17:31, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-17T17:31:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-17T17:31:00.000Z-Urve-2021-07-17T13:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Urve-2021-07-17T18:27:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-17T17:31:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Thank you for this... On the day she died, a dear friend wrote: "How does one speak truth to power when power already knows the truth?" Maybe you are different than me, but the impossibility of representation, of some things, those which are so powerful they deceive us, like love and humility and grace, troubles me - you wrote above about journaling, and that speaks to a closer truth than anything ever can. Maybe not a factual truth - we always find ourselves remembering things differently than they happened, each memory remembering not the event but the last time we remembered it - but certainly, the emotive truth, which may matter more.

I have always been enamored by your idea, of listening to others and letting them impact us, unreservedly, allowing ourselves to be washed over by the music. We are as much ourselves as we are those we love. Urve (talk) 18:27, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-17T18:27:00.000Z","author":"Urve","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Urve-2021-07-17T18:27:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-17T17:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-19T13:29:00.000Z-Urve-2021-07-17T18:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Urve: Yes! They are part of us, completely. Our Song was carried and nurtured by them for many years and now we carry their Song in us. Having an open ear to listen for the Song of others and allowing it to impact and become a part of who you are is so difficult of a task to master. So many build walls around themselves. Nothing can pass through walls and it isolates us from each other. What we should be building are filters. I am just as guilty as the next for building walls. It's so natural to do. Filters allow the free flow of information, ideas, emotions and communication but can also protect us from dangers. It allows us to breathe and expand or contract as we need to. This is very necessary on Wikipedia. Too often we are confronted with walls. It's hard to communicate and build upon the foundation of the encyclopedia when everything is walled off. Confrontation and agitation is around every corner. It is such a pleasure when we encounter those with filters in place that want to hear and listen to ideas, even if they disagree. They want to communicate and are open to change. That is most beneficial to the encyclopedia. It is also essential to our lives if we are to truly thrive in this existence. --ARoseWolf 13:29, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-19T13:29:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-19T13:29:00.000Z-Urve-2021-07-17T18:27:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Hey there ARoseWolf, I saw that you changed your name. I also noticed that you are dealing with a serious health issue right now, and wanted to say hello and wish you well. I hope that you have a complete recovery and that the medicine does the trick. It sounds like you are in good spirits, and are surrounded by excellent care-givers. I have found from my own experience that when the going gets rough, Wikipedia is an excellent hobby to get one's mind in a creative place. Hope the Wild River and Wild Lake articles are coming along swimmingly. Netherzone (talk) 16:12, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-19T16:12:00.000Z","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Netherzone-2021-07-19T16:12:00.000Z-Wishing_you_well","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-19T16:21:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-07-19T16:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you, Netherzone. I did change my name. This seemed more fitting for me though I still give credit to my inspiration on my User page. It is always good to hear from you and I love hearing these experiences and how others dealt with them. Being here has been a help to me, more than I can express. All of you are such an encouragement. The articles are coming along. They will get to the place where they are ready when the time is right. Thank you again for the well wishes. --ARoseWolf 16:21, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-19T16:21:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-19T16:21:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-07-19T16:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-07-20T12:36:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-19T16:21:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

It warms my heart to see your posts, as they mean you are fighting and able to work. Even if that is a bit here and there, it helps with our progress. Know that every day as I write, you are in my thoughts. SusunW (talk) 12:36, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-20T12:36:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-07-20T12:36:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-19T16:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-20T12:44:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-20T12:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

I am a warrior. I have fought my entire life, sometimes without even knowing. It's in my blood, pun intended (lol). I am still singing, Susun. I know its easy to say but I want each of you to know that I do feel your thoughts directed at me and I appreciate them more than I could ever express. Thank you for sending me your positive thoughts. Instead of growing weak, I grow stronger because of it. Love will win this fight. Life will win this fight. --ARoseWolf 12:44, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-20T12:44:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-20T12:44:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-20T12:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-07-20T12:54:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-20T12:44:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I hear you and understand. It is indeed the gift of people in our lives that make the fight worthwhile, that help us appreciate the beauty (and the ugliness) of life and that push us forward. SusunW (talk) 12:54, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-20T12:54:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-07-20T12:54:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-20T12:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-21T15:00:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-20T12:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

@SusunW and Gerda Arendt: Had a fever that spiked to 106 before it finally broke last night. Imm may not be on much today. I depends on how I feel. They took me for xray to try and find the second infection. As of yet unknown. I am better today but they have on oxygen. --ARoseWolf 15:00, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-21T15:00:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-21T15:00:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-20T12:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-07-21T15:24:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-21T15:00:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Please take care of yourself. Hope they are able to discover the cause of infection. Sending you positive thoughts and strength. SusunW (talk) 15:24, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-21T15:24:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-07-21T15:24:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-21T15:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-21T19:01:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-21T15:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you, SusunW. The fluids, anti-biotics and oxygen seem to be working their magic but time will tell. They don't have a clue where to begin with the infection so they want to treat it broadly and see if that takes care of it. In regards to Wikipedia, I saw this today and my heart lept with joy. Vivaldi is one of my favorite composers and I found several arrangements of Italian classical music to keep me occupied and fill my heart with the beautiful reminders of my adventures in the Italian countryside. --ARoseWolf 19:01, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-21T19:01:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-21T19:01:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-21T15:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-07-21T19:20:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-21T19:01:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Along with the saxophone, cello and viola are perhaps my favorite instruments. Always sure to bring me a smile. SusunW (talk) 19:20, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-21T19:20:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-07-21T19:20:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-21T19:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-21T19:30:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-21T19:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

SusunW, Cello is one of the instruments I have learned to play though I am no where near professional level on any of them. I used to take my pan flutes and various singing bowls out to play for the eagles when they returned during the short summer months. They sure do bring a smile. --ARoseWolf 19:30, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-21T19:30:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-21T19:30:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-21T19:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-07-21T20:00:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-21T19:30:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Love that. Many, many moons ago, I played piano and violin. Not good at either. Much prefer to listen than play. SusunW (talk) 20:00, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-21T20:00:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-07-21T20:00:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-21T19:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-21T20:26:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-21T20:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

Love you finding yourself what I wanted to tell you when back from another outing with other friends, red roses, pics perhaps tomorrow, - I am behind with some taken sooner. I hope you found those new today, covering last weekend, 17 18 19. Keep that page watched, please. Vivaldi: the cellist who played for us the first two movements of No. 6 of the Vivaldi thought there wasn't much to tell about these pieces, - I'll tell him he was wrong ;) - That Largo should bring fever down. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-21T20:26:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-21T20:26:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-21T20:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-21T20:37:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-21T20:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

Gerda Arendt, watched!! I used to listen to Vivaldi all the time. I need to get back to that place again. It does so much more than bring the fever down, it has always lifted my soul. Thank you for sharing and bringing back those memories. :) --ARoseWolf 20:37, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-21T20:37:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-21T20:37:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-21T20:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-21T21:20:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-21T20:37:00.000Z","c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-22T10:32:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-21T20:37:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

especially for you --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:20, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-21T21:20:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":14,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-21T21:20:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-21T20:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

especially for her who would have been 122 today - she loved yellow, but I uploaded more red flowers - for you --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:32, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-22T10:32:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":14,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-22T10:32:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-21T20:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello ARoseWolf -- With the goal of helping to progress the WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) women’s rights-themed GA nomination goal for 2021, I’m proposing that WiG hold a special editathon event in the fall (maybe October/November?). I can assist with logistics, but I need to know how much interest/support there might be from WiG participants first. Please let me know what you think in the talk page conversation! All the best, Alanna the Brave (talk) 02:32, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-20T02:32:00.000Z","author":"Alanna the Brave","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Alanna_the_Brave-2021-07-20T02:32:00.000Z-Proposed_Women_in_Green_Editathon","replies":[]}}-->

I really hate to see you having a bad day (mentioned above). Get the temp. down, and get back to mending your body. Get well - that's an order. ;-) — Ched (talk) 20:48, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-21T20:48:00.000Z","author":"Ched","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ched-2021-07-21T20:48:00.000Z-today","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-22T12:32:00.000Z-Ched-2021-07-21T20:48:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014 Ched"}}-->

Ched, Bad days are relative. I can't truly have a bad day when I am still living life and learning and experiencing. The fever is gone and my temp is normal again, albeit with a little help from antibiotics. I am severely neutropenic so my body can't fight off infections right now. I've never taken so many medications in all my life but I am thankful it is here because it gives me a fighting chance and that's really all this warrior can ask for. One way or another, I am determined to live life to the end, regardless of when that is. I am restrained to these white walls, physically, but my Spirit still roams free over land and ocean, valley and mountain. If you were one of my brothers I would tell you where you could put those orders (I told you I am feisty) but because you are such a good friend I will accept and follow that order. Thank you, Ched. You are amazing! --ARoseWolf 12:32, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-22T12:32:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-22T12:32:00.000Z-Ched-2021-07-21T20:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ched-2021-07-22T13:19:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-22T12:32:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Hopefully you will escape those 4 white walls soon. I think positive that you will have a long, healthy, and very happy life ahead. Sending cyber-hugs your way. — Ched (talk) 13:19, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-22T13:19:00.000Z","author":"Ched","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ched-2021-07-22T13:19:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-22T12:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-22T13:34:00.000Z-Ched-2021-07-22T13:19:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014 Ched"}}-->

Ched, accepting all the warm cyber hugs. Thank you. --ARoseWolf 13:34, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-22T13:34:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-22T13:34:00.000Z-Ched-2021-07-22T13:19:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I appreciate your boldness in expressing what is a somewhat unpopular view on Jimmy’s page. I don’t necessarily agree, but you definitely have expressed it in a thoughtful way and it’s a valid viewpoint. And I agree we should focus on writing articles and not be slave to any particular metric! - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 14:32, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-22T14:32:00.000Z","author":"Aussie Article Writer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aussie_Article_Writer-2021-07-22T14:32:00.000Z-Boldness","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-22T15:07:00.000Z-Aussie_Article_Writer-2021-07-22T14:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

Aussie Article Writer, you prove the point that we don't have to agree to appreciate each other. :) Thank you for the kind remarks. I will admit that I find myself not sharing very often because of multiple reasons. I know many others feel the same. They don't want to bring attention to themselves because of a valid fear of being singled out. For me it is that I often have felt the intimidation of not knowing the proper wikilinks to policies and the wikilawyering. I tend to respond out of the general knowledge of what Wikipedia is with a personal spin that I acknowledge is my own. It's not polished by any means but it's genuine and comes from a good place. I don't really mind taking an unpopular stance when I know it is valid, relevant and genuine. If it is not reality then I generally will admit that as evidence is brought forward and my view of it changes. I, for the most part, won't be afraid to speak up because of experiences in the past which kept me silent. Again, thank you. The key to our collaborative success is kindness. --ARoseWolf 15:07, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-22T15:07:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-22T15:07:00.000Z-Aussie_Article_Writer-2021-07-22T14:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Aussie_Article_Writer-2021-07-22T15:38:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-22T15:07:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Friend, that I agree with. I have to constantly remind myself of this one core fact every day. In fact, I really need to remember that even when others were unkind to me, the urge to do likewise is not healthy, or acceptable. I gotta work on this, one day at a time. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 15:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-22T15:38:00.000Z","author":"Aussie Article Writer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Aussie_Article_Writer-2021-07-22T15:38:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-22T15:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-03T13:48:00.000Z-Aussie_Article_Writer-2021-07-22T15:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

Aussie Article Writer, this is something we all struggle with because we are human. I have bad days and sometimes I even take frustrations out on others or maybe even turn something said into a misunderstanding which could escalate into bitter feelings. Being human is a mixed bag and you really never know what you are going to get. Pain and experience can also leave one jaded. I does come natural to relate with others but that doesn't mean it is always easy or that I am capable when blocked by self. Still we try. --ARoseWolf 13:48, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-03T13:48:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-03T13:48:00.000Z-Aussie_Article_Writer-2021-07-22T15:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Aussie_Article_Writer-2021-08-05T09:00:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-03T13:48:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I just found out you are going through Chemo. I am so sorry. I hope you are OK. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 09:00, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-05T09:00:00.000Z","author":"Aussie Article Writer","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Aussie_Article_Writer-2021-08-05T09:00:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-03T13:48:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, thank you for your message on my talk page on fr-wp! Do you think you could share the link to the project you are doing for Women in red? I would really appreciate. Also your message seems to be an automatic translation, and some passages are a little unclear, but you can write to me in English if you wish. Warm regards, Nattes à chat (talk) 19:14, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-23T19:14:00.000Z","author":"Nattes \u00e0 chat","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nattes_\u00e0_chat-2021-07-23T19:14:00.000Z-Your_message_on_my_talk_page_on_fr-wp_concerning_les_sans_pagEs","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-23T19:26:00.000Z-Nattes_\u00e0_chat-2021-07-23T19:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

Nattes à chat, no, its probably my French. I grew up in Italy near Provence and my rendition of Parisian French is probably a bit off. Who knows, I may have snuck in some Italian. Ha! If you want to check out the list I am working on you can see here, User:ARoseWolf/Wikipedia Projects Supporting Women. This is just a start and any additional information on Les sans PagEs would be greatly appreciated. --ARoseWolf 19:26, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-23T19:26:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-23T19:26:00.000Z-Nattes_\u00e0_chat-2021-07-23T19:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-23T19:49:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-23T19:26:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

@Nattes à chat:, If you want to check out our conversation about the essay you can find it here on the project talk page. --ARoseWolf 19:49, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-23T19:49:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-23T19:49:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-23T19:26:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Women in Red | August 2021, Volume 7, Issue 8, Numbers 184, 188, 204, 205, 206, 207 Online events: New: Indigenous women | Women's leadership & empowerment Contest (Jul/Aug/Sep): Latin America contest Continuing: Olympic & Paralympic Games | Women's rights | #1day1woman See also: Interwiki Women Collaboration Other ways to participate: Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help plan and coordinate future events. Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

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I’m not sure if it was you or RudolfRed who gave me the answer of “even if you misplaced your mobile device, if you purchase a new device, and login with your Apple ID, the FreeOTP app should still recognize you” in retrospect, I dont even know how or why I didn’t think of that before asking the question, that was a no-brainer, it crossed my mind today. Thanks to you both once again. Celestina007 (talk) 17:00, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-25T17:00:00.000Z","author":"Celestina007","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Celestina007-2021-07-25T17:00:00.000Z-The_Question_I_Asked_About_2FA","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-05T17:11:00.000Z-Celestina007-2021-07-25T17:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

Celestina007, I had to use 2FA a while back when I was being stalked by my ex-husband and friends to secure my account. I've since removed it but had limited knowledge of how it worked. I am glad it has been resolved for you. If you ever need anything else or just want someone watching your account a little closer just let me know. Watching and reverting vandalism and hateful speech is really the least I can do for another human being and a fellow editor here. --ARoseWolf 17:11, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-05T17:11:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-05T17:11:00.000Z-Celestina007-2021-07-25T17:00:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Hi! Thank you for starting this. I don't know if my edits/additions were helpful vs. not in line with what you were envisioning. Please let me know, as I'd be happy to remove anything which isn't a good fit. --Rosiestep (talk)

Rosiestep, you are such a sweet soul but I started this for WiR and because this was something you wanted. I just love contributing. It is all for this project that has brought me so much joy just being a part of it, especially during this time when I've felt so alone. Whatever you and project wants is what it will be. I just do my best to make it happen --ARoseWolf 01:42, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-30T01:42:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-30T01:42:00.000Z-Historical_overview_of_projects_supporting_women","replies":["c-Rosiestep-2021-07-30T04:58:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-30T01:42:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

ARoseWolf, I feel the same about you. I am truly glad we have this project and that we are there for each other. Rosiestep (talk) 04:58, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-30T04:58:00.000Z","author":"Rosiestep","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Rosiestep-2021-07-30T04:58:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-30T01:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-07-30T20:10:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2021-07-30T04:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

I am so happy that y'all are getting to know each other @ARoseWolf and Rosiestep:. Had planned on coming here today to check on how your treatment is going ARoseWolf and tell you how good it is to see you being able to contribute so much. Just made me smile even more to see this conversation. Two of my favorite people, supporting each other cannot help but make me happy. SusunW (talk) 20:10, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-30T20:10:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-07-30T20:10:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2021-07-30T04:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-30T20:18:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-30T20:10:00.000Z","c-Rosiestep-2021-07-31T12:26:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-30T20:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

SusunW, Treatments are going well actually. They think I am responding to the latest round of chemo but we will know for sure when its done. I am still fighting off the secondary infection but I have felt really well the last few days. Contributing to this list has helped too. It's been fun looking for information and reading about each project. I feel he positive thoughts from my friends here and my family back home. --ARoseWolf 20:18, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-30T20:18:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-30T20:18:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-30T20:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-07-30T20:22:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-30T20:18:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

That is lovely to know. I figured you were feeling pretty good, but treatment is just overall not fun. I am thinking of you. SusunW (talk) 20:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-30T20:22:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-07-30T20:22:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-30T20:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-30T20:25:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-30T20:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

SusunW: Thank you!! I truly mean that! Sometimes people say it just to be nice but I want you to know that I genuinely feel the positive energy and it does make a difference. --ARoseWolf 20:25, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-30T20:25:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-30T20:25:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-30T20:22:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

SusunW and Asareel, You are so awesome and I am grateful to be part of this circle. Drinking coffee and thinking of you... Rosiestep (talk) 12:26, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-31T12:26:00.000Z","author":"Rosiestep","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Rosiestep-2021-07-31T12:26:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-30T20:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-31T13:40:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2021-07-31T12:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

@SusunW, Rosiestep, Gerda Arendt, and Ipigott: I can see us sitting around drinking coffee and sharing life experiences. I see it with my Spirit eyes and I am there my friends. Thank you for your thoughts and constant vigil over me. This community means so much to me. We are a part of something so vibrant, so energetically positive that the colours swirl fast around us. --ARoseWolf 13:40, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-31T13:40:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-07-31T13:40:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2021-07-31T12:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-07-31T13:46:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-31T13:40:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Wouldn't it be lovely to sit and have a coffee with each other? Perhaps some day that will happen. Sending you energy this morning and hope. SusunW (talk) 13:46, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-31T13:46:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-07-31T13:46:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-07-31T13:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ipigott-2021-07-31T13:51:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-31T13:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

Whether or not we can have coffee together, I think it is great we can keep in touch day by day and collaborate on Wikipedia. I'm so glad to hear the treatment is going well and that you have been feeling better. With your strong love of life, I'm sure the improvement will continue. If you have any other ideas about what we can work on together, just let me know.--Ipigott (talk) 13:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-31T13:51:00.000Z","author":"Ipigott","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Ipigott-2021-07-31T13:51:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-07-31T13:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-31T17:46:00.000Z-Ipigott-2021-07-31T13:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

You all are lovely company! I just enjoy it in real life, so am here only sporadically, but please feel free to share food and music and flowers. Rich day today, upload later or tomorrow or on Monday ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:46, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-31T17:46:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-31T17:46:00.000Z-Ipigott-2021-07-31T13:51:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

July

A summary is there now ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:00, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-31T20:00:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-07-31T20:00:00.000Z-Historical_overview_of_projects_supporting_women","replies":[]}}-->

@Gerda Arendt, SusunW, Ipigott, and Rosiestep: My latest numbers show improvement. My white count went from 0.1 to 0.6 and is 0.9 today so my body is responding. Because of the remoteness of our homestead we discussed renting a place here for me to stay if I should be released which would happen if my count gets above 2.0. My sister-in-law said she would come down to stay with me in that eventuality. It's not ideal but would be best while my body continues the recovery process but will keep me close enough to the hospital. And I continue to dance to the Song of Life! --ARoseWolf 17:49, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-02T17:49:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-02T17:49:00.000Z-Update_August_2","replies":["c-Ipigott-2021-08-02T17:55:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-02T17:49:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

That's great news. I can see recovery is imminent. You'll soon be able to see all the things you love so much.--Ipigott (talk) 17:55, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-02T17:55:00.000Z","author":"Ipigott","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ipigott-2021-08-02T17:55:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-02T17:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-08-02T17:59:00.000Z-Ipigott-2021-08-02T17:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

Absolutely fabulous news! So happy for you that your body is responding well to the treatment. I know how wonderful it is to be out of a hospital environment. Even if it isn't to your own homestead, just being among your own stuff, being able to pick your own food (I never once ate that jello they gave me at every meal), and not constantly being woken for checks of this or that is a relief. May you continue to improve and sooner rather than later be able to transition away from the hospital. SusunW (talk) 17:59, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-02T17:59:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-08-02T17:59:00.000Z-Ipigott-2021-08-02T17:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-Rosiestep-2021-08-02T18:10:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-08-02T17:59:00.000Z","c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-02T18:07:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-08-02T17:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oh, such wonderful news! Staying (virtually) close by your side... my tuxie cats and I. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:10, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-02T18:10:00.000Z","author":"Rosiestep","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Rosiestep-2021-08-02T18:10:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-08-02T17:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Ched, The Most Comfortable Chair, Netherzone, DGG, Urve, Ritchie333, Parkwells, GenQuest, Atsme and I hope I didn't miss anyone but I wanted to tag all of you. Your thoughts. Your caring. Your love for other humans is what fuels the star inside each of us. Thank you all for your continued positive vibes directed at me. I still have hurdles to jump but we are finally running the race in the right direction (lol). And I have one word for the hospital jello cup, Don't (lol)!! --ARoseWolf 18:07, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-02T18:07:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-02T18:07:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-08-02T17:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Netherzone-2021-08-02T18:12:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-02T18:07:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

ARoseWolf, thanks for sharing the good news; visualizing your white count climbing like a snowy Alaska mountain. Soon you will be doing jello shots, rather than hospital jello cups! Netherzone (talk) 18:12, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-02T18:12:00.000Z","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Netherzone-2021-08-02T18:12:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-02T18:07:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

August songs

jello? yellow? enjoy improvements, that sounds sooo exciting! (I once read a book of a couple telling the story of her breast cancer, and get treatment in Bonn, and the food is awful ... - they tell it from both perspectives, husband and wife, - sorry, forgot the title.) - As you saw already: my 12th today? I decorated, also for a birthday. Songs invite to more music, places, food and flowers. A yellow flower pic to come (possible for August 2022), yellow roses are hidden in last year's. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:54, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-02T19:54:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-02T19:54:00.000Z-Update_August_2","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-02T22:07:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-02T19:54:00.000Z","c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-02T22:11:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-02T19:54:00.000Z","c-Urve-2021-08-03T02:34:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-02T19:54:00.000Z","c-GenQuest-2021-08-03T13:47:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-02T19:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

Listen to the two solo cellos in Vivaldi, still a red link: RV 531 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-02T22:07:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-02T22:07:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-02T19:54:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

(music beginning after about 5 minutes of announcements and tuning) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:11, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-02T22:11:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-02T22:11:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-02T19:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-03T13:37:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-02T22:11:00.000Z","c-Netherzone-2021-08-02T22:19:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-02T22:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

Gerda Arendt, music is such food for the soul. Those cellos are divine. --ARoseWolf 13:37, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-03T13:37:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-03T13:37:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-02T22:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-03T21:14:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-03T13:37:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Like that! I uploaded 4 more pics. In the evening, there was a rainbow from the little steple, imagine. I took a pick but it's sort of not good enough. Bees this time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-03T21:14:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-03T21:14:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-03T13:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello! Jell-O, yellow, cello, soon you will be feeling mellow, my fellow editrixen. Cheers to all. ;-) Netherzone (talk) 22:19, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-02T22:19:00.000Z","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Netherzone-2021-08-02T22:19:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-02T22:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-02T22:26:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-02T22:19:00.000Z","c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-07T15:15:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-02T22:19:00.000Z","c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-18T19:52:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-02T22:19:00.000Z"]}}-->

mellowing already --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-02T22:26:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-02T22:26:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-02T22:19:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Today: 2 interesting DYK (I think), sadly 2 who died (on top of 2 from Poland yesterday), and a concert in which Daniel Barenboim just played piano, - and afterwards he and the orchestra received last year's prize (pictured). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:15, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-07T15:15:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-07T15:15:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-02T22:19:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Today: 3 DYK, including that the author dedicated a summer story to a license plate number ;) - Five rows of images added, sunflowers and butterflies continued, four rows of 15 August alone, - a rich Monteverdi day, - enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:52, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-18T19:52:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-18T19:52:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-02T22:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-18T20:29:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-18T19:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

Gerda Arendt, I simply adore your pictures. So many colours. Veramente magnifica! --ARoseWolf 20:29, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-18T20:29:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-18T20:29:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-18T19:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-18T20:38:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-18T20:29:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I see more than I used to, thinking of what to send to your "cell". Do you think one of your family could picture "your" mountain and upload it? The uploading is not hard. - My song thinking of you is "Die Gedanken sind frei", DYK? (article not by me, - I would have written it for you, but it was there already) "because my thoughts tear all gates and walls apart" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-18T20:38:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-18T20:38:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-18T20:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-18T20:51:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-18T20:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

Gerda Arendt. I think a picture could be arranged. I'll definitely pass it on to Brian or one of my brothers. I may have a picture somewhere too. I'll dig around once I get home. I've been meaning to save all of my pictures to the cloud anyway. "Because my thoughts tear all gates and walls apart" is a pretty powerful line but accurate. Walls only serve to separate us. They have no place in relationships between individual Songs. We are meant to openly share our experiences. We are meant to paint Life together with others. Tearing down walls is difficult and dark work but very necessary to allow the Light in to places that need healing and growth. --ARoseWolf 20:51, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-18T20:51:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-18T20:51:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-18T20:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-28T20:26:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-18T20:51:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Short version: I took some more, even of sunflowers ;) - Longer version: 28 August was a special concert day in 2013 - we were in the arbcase, and I feared (or let's say was sure) that Andy would be banned. Look. (He wasn't.) - Today the day became more special because Teresa Żylis-Gara, the second soprano to impress me on stage, died, - long live the memory of her beautiful singing, remembered with thanks, and my personal memories also updated, listening to Andreas Scholl singing Bach yesterday and in 2013, a different cantata though. - Longest version: follow links, meet Hillbillyholiday who gave me a tree. - Nourishing food on the personal pics, enjoy, - I think of you even when with dear company, so not much time to post here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-28T20:26:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-28T20:26:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-18T20:51:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

So glad you're heading in the right directions Rose Wolf. Keep taking good care of yourself and you'll be back to 100% in no time.

I am so happy to see this. On the subject of eventually, the future holds great promise. Consider things like this beautiful thesis on days like today. Urve (talk) 02:34, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-03T02:34:00.000Z","author":"Urve","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Urve-2021-08-03T02:34:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-02T19:54:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

So happy to see you are on the mend! Listen to your doctors and keep it going, sister! A smiling guy, GenQuest ^"scribble" 13:47, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-03T13:47:00.000Z","author":"GenQuest","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-GenQuest-2021-08-03T13:47:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-02T19:54:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

It's hard to believe its been a year since I found Wikipedia. What I have learned in a year is that this is a difficult yet rewarding place. I have had the good fortune of meeting many amazing people, some of which may not feel the same about me but that's okay. I have learned that there is a lot more to editing here than simply signing in and writing articles, so much more. I am appreciative of the collaboration and especially the discussions where there have been disagreements. We can grow and evolve naturally with no adversity to overcome or reconcile but we learn to appreciate growth when facing those things. My growth here and in life is founded in reconciliation of ideas, thoughts, philosophies, if you will. A comparison of my experiences and thoughts to others. I do not look at disagreements I have had here with others as being a negative whether my thought prevailed in a discussion or not. I take from those discussions and evaluate my own views, apply those thoughts where my evaluations dictate change is needed and evolve to continue my path. I've had a lot of time to think sitting in this bed and captured by the walls of this hospital. It has been a good time for reflection. I recommend anyone set aside that time though please don't get leukemia to do it (lol).

To those I may have offended along the way, my sincerest apologies, and I hope this finds its way to you. Never is it my intention to offend though I understand enough about humanity to know its impossible not to offend someone simply by breathing. I do empathize with you and your views in our discussions are and were valid and considered, always. Where I have made mistakes know that it has not fallen on deaf ears and I take it to heart to make changes in my approach to rectify and correct the trajectory of my journey here constantly. You are the catalyst for my growth. You have not impacted me negatively but helped to affect a positive change in my life and editing here. It's a small consolation, I know, if I could I would formally apologize to each I have offended to convey the sincerity of my heart. You are a jewel and I believe you are precious and I am sorry if anything I said or did damaged you in any way.

To those who have recognized the heart of me and have acknowledged it at some point over the last year, thank you. You are those I consider friend, confidant and the ones I have looked to at, specific times and in general, for strength, guidance and assistance. You have not let me down. Each of you possess something that attracted my being to yours, even if simply as passing ships in the night. It is nice to see the light of others and know I am not alone in a world that can seem, at times, so cold, distant and dark. I have known the depths of the shadow and I have known the depths of love. Love can overcome.

It has been a joy, a privilege and an honor to be among such amazing and talented people for the last twelve months. I hope to continue on this adventure with each of you and I look forward to the future of Wikipedia, my small part in it, and what may be just around the bend of the river. --ARoseWolf 18:12, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-04T18:12:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-04T18:12:00.000Z-One_Year","replies":["c-GenQuest-2021-08-05T04:25:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-04T18:12:00.000Z","c-SusunW-2021-08-05T12:58:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-04T18:12:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Happy anniversary, ARW! I am glad you're here to enjoy the adventure! GenQuest ^"scribble" 04:25, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-05T04:25:00.000Z","author":"GenQuest","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-GenQuest-2021-08-05T04:25:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-04T18:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Happy anniversary! It is hard to wrap my head around you being here for only a year. Seems like our spirits have known each other much longer. Sending you strength and energy for the adventures ahead. SusunW (talk) 12:58, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-05T12:58:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-08-05T12:58:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-04T18:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-05T15:35:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-08-05T12:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

@SusunW and GenQuest:, thank you both. I have felt the same about several people I have met here, Susun. My personal belief is that our Spirits have tapped into the musical strings of Life where Colors are born and Notes of creativity ebb and flow. We just found that the tones of our hearts, on some level, vibrate at the same frequency and this causes us to feel that depth reaching as far back as humans have existed, through time and space, in each other. It is warm and inviting. A rich and intoxicating love of fellowship. --ARoseWolf 15:35, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-05T15:35:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-05T15:35:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-08-05T12:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-Rosiestep-2021-08-07T15:32:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-05T15:35:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I am inspired by what you have written in this section. I think it is important to acknowledge milestones, such as your 1 Year Anniversary on Wikipedia. For sure, for some editors, it's inconsequential, and then for others -you, me, plus...-, it's a life-changer. Happy Anniversary, Asareel. So glad to have finally met you. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:32, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-07T15:32:00.000Z","author":"Rosiestep","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Rosiestep-2021-08-07T15:32:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-05T15:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-09T14:08:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2021-08-07T15:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

Rosiestep, I have followed most of you for a year. Unbeknownst to me, I had people following me. Life is a web of strings attaching us to people, places and things which are, themselves, tied to other people, places and things. I see those connections through music and colors. Life is an extraordinary thing we know so little about or understand. We are constantly finding new species of life on the planet our entire human existence has known. It is estimated that we only understand about 15% to 20% of our oceans. There are still possibly hundreds, if not thousands, of new species of fauna, insect and animal yet to be discovered. The human eye, which is one of the most intricately complex cellular organs known to humans, only allows most to see approximately 5% of the known light and objects in the universe. Even with the help of telescopes and various filters we barely scratch the surface. We look out on the darkness of space and think there is nothing there but emptiness. There is so much more. More than our minds can grasp or understand with its finite yet remarkable capacity. But even the human brain is an unknown. Its estimated that the average human uses about 10% of its capacity for learning and understanding. Some utilize more and we call them genius. Mathematicians, scientist, engineers, great composers, poets, painters and sculptors in history, philosophers, doctors, and even some of the biggest villains the world has ever known were thought to use a higher percentage of their brain. The sum total of every human thought is found here on this blue oasis in a vast and complex structure that is our known universe. And that's only what we know and have seen. Some can see more. We call them gifted but in fact its just a part of reality, a part of our genetic code that is unlocked. Its not really superhuman, just more human, fueled by the desire for exploration, and grounded by the common curse that all humans face through time and space and that is the fleeting nature of our personal existence. That is why Wikipedia must succeed and why it must be driven by the need to catalogue humanity. All of its glorious triumphs and all of its less than stellar achievements. The love, the hate, the indifference, war and peace, joy and harmony, sorrow and shame. All of it needs to be recorded and all of it is important to the future understanding where it came from and how it evolved. I'm not saying it falls squarely on Wikipedia but now is the time in which we have been given and we are being asked what we will do with this time. Our decision will determine how well the future understands the strings that bind us together and whether they are able to build upon the Song that is the human existence on this universal plain. Long read, I know, but it gives you a little insight into my world and my overall goals for life which is sometimes masked by actions that seemingly don't line up but I have always had somewhat of an unorthodox way of influencing positive changes in others. --ARoseWolf 14:08, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-09T14:08:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-09T14:08:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2021-08-07T15:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Rosiestep-2021-08-09T20:39:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-09T14:08:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

ARoseWolf, . Rosiestep (talk) 20:39, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-09T20:39:00.000Z","author":"Rosiestep","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Rosiestep-2021-08-09T20:39:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-09T14:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

We had a discussion a couple of days ago .... but I cannot remember where, but I remember that you asked for a link to the University of Edinburgh's 50 plus editathons and its here Victuallers (talk) 15:56, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-05T15:56:00.000Z","author":"Victuallers","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Victuallers-2021-08-05T15:56:00.000Z-Edinburgh","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-05T16:00:00.000Z-Victuallers-2021-08-05T15:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

Victuallers, Yes! Thank you! I am working on the list now so this is perfect timing. I am moving entries around to place them in chronological order within their section. --ARoseWolf 16:00, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-05T16:00:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-05T16:00:00.000Z-Victuallers-2021-08-05T15:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-05T16:07:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-05T16:00:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Wondering if it wouldn't be best to include this in a paragraph or two about workshops supported or supporting Women in Red with a link to the page rather than listing each edit-a-thon since it coincides with our monthly events within the project itself? It also has a lot of other useful information on the page too. What do you think Ipigott? Rosiestep? --ARoseWolf 16:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-05T16:07:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-05T16:07:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-05T16:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-Rosiestep-2021-08-05T23:42:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-05T16:07:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

ARoseWolf, having a section regarding Women in Red's partner organizations would make sense. In addition to the University of Edinburgh, there have been many others. In fact, Victuallers and I first met at the University of Irvine's Women in Red workshop! A friendly FYI: Women in Red's first partner organization was the Guggenheim and the second was the New York Academy of Sciences. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:42, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-05T23:42:00.000Z","author":"Rosiestep","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Rosiestep-2021-08-05T23:42:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-05T16:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-Victuallers-2021-08-06T08:29:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2021-08-05T23:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

When she says "met", Rosie means in person, by that time we had done a couple of live presentations together and cooperated on 100s of articles and dozens of editathons. We are presenting at Wikimania on the 15th August (where the emerging history will be mentioned). This will be my fifth talk at a Wikimania, my fourth virtual one and third with Rosie. I hope to add some early history for you, but it feels odd as I have learnt to ignore incomplete accounts/mistakes on Wikipedia where you are involved in the subject. Our collaboration with the BBC, Newnham College and our profile drive via DYK, Twitter and Pinterest etc. are important. Great work. Victuallers (talk) 08:29, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-06T08:29:00.000Z","author":"Victuallers","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Victuallers-2021-08-06T08:29:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2021-08-05T23:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ipigott-2021-08-06T10:42:00.000Z-Victuallers-2021-08-06T08:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

ARoseWolf: In some cases it may be difficult to see to what extent the WiR virtual editathons led to physical meetings and workshops. Maybe we should simply ask for reactions from our participants and those responsible for associated projects. If Rosiestep agrees, it might already be useful to send a request for reactions and suggestions to our international mailing list, perhaps with a similar request in our WiR invitation for September. I think we should also be careful not to include too many WiR events which are already listed in our template as there have also been similar activities in connection with many of the other women-related projects we have mentioned in the overview.--Ipigott (talk) 10:42, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-06T10:42:00.000Z","author":"Ipigott","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Ipigott-2021-08-06T10:42:00.000Z-Victuallers-2021-08-06T08:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-06T13:38:00.000Z-Ipigott-2021-08-06T10:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ipigott, I definitely agree with keeping it more simple. The balance is finding at what point the list becomes so large that we lose most readers before they make it to the bottom. I don't know that having a complete list of WiR edit-a-thons and events is necessary but I do think highlighting several is important towards conveying the message the list is trying to get out there. I don't know that we simply need to add an event based on results or even participation but, like Ian mentioned, maybe reaching out and getting some feedback would help us narrow down what that criteria needs to be. Victuallers, this has always been a collaboration. If you have anything to add to the history of projects supporting women on any of the Wikimedia platforms then please do add it or let us know what you see that needs to be there. I'm the newbie here. I'm like the little school girl being inundated with so much information that I get lost reading about it all. Everything that all of you have done here leaves me in awe. It's why I felt some intimidation by even taking this on as much as I have. Rosie, Ian and you are so amazing and I put SusunW in that category too. Not that I have idols but if I did you all would be up there. There are so many more from these projects that leave me speechless. I look at all of these projects that we have added and I am blown away by the efforts of so many. Speaking of which, I don't mind saying, Rosiestep, your answers to those questions for the Board of Trustees election was superb and spot on. I thought you were thorough but not too wordy, if that makes sense. I commend you for seeking this position and I really enjoyed reading all of the answers from every candidate. --ARoseWolf 13:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-06T13:38:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-06T13:38:00.000Z-Ipigott-2021-08-06T10:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Rosiestep-2021-08-06T20:38:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-06T13:38:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

ARoseWolf, thank you. I really appreciate our kind words.

As for how much to include vs. not include, I get that this is tricky. Personally, I'm an "Inclusionist" in the wiki world so I'dd opt for gathering all the info you can -historical record sort of thing-, and then parring it down by using the "hide" button for some of it, or even maybe a subpage if that makes sense. Today, WiR is 6 years old, but someday, we'll be 16, 26, 36, 46, 56, etc. years old. This kind of historical record that you're creating is vital to documenting the work that early Wikimedians (e.g. the first 20 years) have done. Wait too much longer, and it'll be easy to forget about who did what and when. Rosiestep (talk) 20:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-06T20:38:00.000Z","author":"Rosiestep","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Rosiestep-2021-08-06T20:38:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-06T13:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-06T20:48:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2021-08-06T20:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

Rosiestep, I'm glad you mentioned that because I was just thinking about the use of subpages. I can most definitely do that. I am very grateful for the opportunity to work with you all to gather together this historical account and build something that I believe will be beneficial through the years as the projects mature. I don't want the hard work of others to be forgotten or lost to time. I view what this list/article represents as a sort of Wampum belt weaving the colors of our foundation together and so that the generations that join after us know what they are building on. --ARoseWolf 20:48, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-06T20:48:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-06T20:48:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2021-08-06T20:38:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Such great news about your health! May you continue to improve!Parkwells (talk) 15:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-06T15:38:00.000Z","author":"Parkwells","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Parkwells-2021-08-06T15:38:00.000Z-Improvement","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks Never-fall-p (talk) 16:05, 6 August 2021 (UTC) ARose![reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-06T16:05:00.000Z","author":"Never-fall-p","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Never-fall-p-2021-08-06T16:05:00.000Z-Thanks_2","replies":[]}}-->

I respectfully request that you clarify what you meant when you said "what the editor said by bringing you into the discussion was completely inappropriate". It was in reference to WP:ANI#Piotrus' concerns about User:BrownHairedGirl, however, MPants was complaining about me despite it being a different editor (Levivich) that brought an MPants thread into the BHG discussion. (Plus, I was not bringing MPants himself into the discussion, I was agreeing that it is odd that the MPants incivility thread did not result in sanctions while the BHG thread resulted in a block [although followed by an unblock, but the thread is still open]). 19:10, 9 August 2021 (UTC) TOA The owner of all ☑️

TOA: I don't see the need in the mud slinging that so many engage in on AN/I and in Arbitration. There was only one reason to bring up another situation to try and make comparison and that is to make a personal point of disagreement and because someone has an axe to grind against the system or individuals. I have said this before and I will repeat it, everyone that is breathing is biased and for their own reasons. Levivich and I agree and disagree on things at times. You and I obviously disagree on some things. I am sure MPants and I disagree an some things. The same could be said about me and many other editors. Without interests there can be no conflict. Conflict of thought and perception can be beneficial when done with an open mind. I refuse to explain, in any detail, every comment I make about my perception or feeling concerning the approach of every editor for which I have agreed or disagreed. Primarily, because I am not here to change their point of view, only adjust and apply my own. I can agree with a principle without agreeing with the approach. I will say that the incivility and pure hatred in some of the comments I've read concerning that thread are astounding, to say the least. It's pure poison and destructive, the way human beings can treat other human beings over a disagreement. Unexpected, no and that's the part that is truly sad. That we have come to expect this kind of language and treatment as permissible in a situation where we are expected to be civilized. My opinion is that there are a lot of mad and angry people who really need some introflection and probably some time away from the computer and encyclopedia. That is all the detail I am able to offer. Excuse me if my expressing empathy for my fellow editor caused you or anyone offense. It doesn't change my opinion and it won't stop me from expressing empathy, regardless of whether the person on the other end is in the right or wrong based on consensus perception. I don't base my life philosophies or personal convictions on consensus perception. --ARoseWolf 20:34, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-09T20:34:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-09T20:34:00.000Z-Request","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I decided to take you up on asking a riddle on your talk page! Here it goes, hopefully you haven't heard it!

"Solomon the powerful and wealthy king chooses to test his most loyal and trusted minister, Benaiah Ben Yehoyada, by asking of him an impossible task. The king asks Benaiah to find for him a ring, knowing full well that the ring does not exist, which has magic powers. “If a happy man looks at it, he becomes sad, and if a sad man looks at it, he becomes happy,” he tells him. He expresses his desire to wear the ring for Sukkot, which is six months away. After months of searching, Benaiah finds himself, the night before Sukkot, walking through the poorest neighborhood of Jerusalem. He happens upon a jeweler, who, when asked if he’s heard of such a ring, produces from his pocket a plain gold ring, to which he adds an engravement. Benaiah reads the inscription and smiles. He returns just in time on the eve of Sukkot to give the king the ring he has requested. The king laughs and takes the ring, but upon reading the inscription, becomes very sad. What was engraved on the ring?" ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 19:23, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T19:23:00.000Z","author":"FormalDude","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-FormalDude-2021-08-11T19:23:00.000Z-Riddle","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T19:32:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-11T19:23:00.000Z","c-GenQuest-2021-08-11T22:44:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-11T19:23:00.000Z","c-FormalDude-2021-08-12T01:07:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-11T19:23:00.000Z","c-FormalDude-2021-09-18T10:22:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-11T19:23:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\ud835\uddd9\ud835\uddfc\ud835\uddff\ud835\uddfa\ud835\uddee\ud835\uddf9\ud835\uddd7\ud835\ude02\ud835\uddf1\ud835\uddf2"}}-->

FormalDude, Can I pretend I haven't heard it? That would be dishonest. גם זה יעבור "This too shall pass". I've used that in philosophy of Life. Everything is fleeting. Its a great riddle and an even better lesson. --ARoseWolf 19:32, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T19:32:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T19:32:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-11T19:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-FormalDude-2021-08-11T20:10:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T19:32:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Haha I suppose that one was pretty popular; it is a great lesson. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 20:10, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T20:10:00.000Z","author":"FormalDude","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-FormalDude-2021-08-11T20:10:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T19:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T20:11:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-11T20:10:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\ud835\uddd9\ud835\uddfc\ud835\uddff\ud835\uddfa\ud835\uddee\ud835\uddf9\ud835\uddd7\ud835\ude02\ud835\uddf1\ud835\uddf2"}}-->

FormalDude, Thank you for sharing it. No matter how many times I see it I still learn something from it and it's usually very timely. --ARoseWolf 20:11, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T20:11:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T20:11:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-11T20:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-FormalDude-2021-08-11T20:16:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T20:11:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Of course, I'm glad you were still able to take something away from it! Got any riddles I could have a crack at? ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 20:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T20:16:00.000Z","author":"FormalDude","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-FormalDude-2021-08-11T20:16:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T20:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T20:24:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-11T20:16:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\ud835\uddd9\ud835\uddfc\ud835\uddff\ud835\uddfa\ud835\uddee\ud835\uddf9\ud835\uddd7\ud835\ude02\ud835\uddf1\ud835\uddf2"}}-->

FormalDude, Una corda di cinque metri è attaccata a un cavallo. Il cavallo è distante 7 metri da una pila di fieno. Come fa il cavallo a raggiungere la paglia? Translated roughly: A 5-meter rope is tied to a horse. The horse is 7 meters from a pile of hay. How does the horse reach the straw? --ARoseWolf 20:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T20:24:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T20:24:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-11T20:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-GenQuest-2021-08-11T20:32:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T20:24:00.000Z","c-FormalDude-2021-08-11T20:36:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T20:24:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I know, I know. Call me! Call me! GenQuest ^"scribble" 20:32, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T20:32:00.000Z","author":"GenQuest","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-GenQuest-2021-08-11T20:32:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T20:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T20:34:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-11T20:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

GenQuest, Answer and then keep it going with one of your own. ;-) --ARoseWolf 20:34, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T20:34:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T20:34:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-11T20:32:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Oh that's a good one. Is it a trick question? Is the rope only tied to the horse and not to anything else? ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 20:36, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T20:36:00.000Z","author":"FormalDude","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-FormalDude-2021-08-11T20:36:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T20:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T20:39:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-11T20:36:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\ud835\uddd9\ud835\uddfc\ud835\uddff\ud835\uddfa\ud835\uddee\ud835\uddf9\ud835\uddd7\ud835\ude02\ud835\uddf1\ud835\uddf2"}}-->

When my Papa would ask riddles and we would answer with more questions he would say, "Are you asking or telling?" (lol) I miss that man so much. Ahhh, positive thoughts. Someone answer. --ARoseWolf 20:39, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T20:39:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T20:39:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-11T20:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-GenQuest-2021-08-11T20:55:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T20:39:00.000Z","c-GenQuest-2021-08-11T20:58:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T20:39:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

He walks over and eats it (no one says the 5-meter rope is tied to anything but the horse.) Yes / no? GenQuest ^"scribble" 20:55, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T20:55:00.000Z","author":"GenQuest","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-GenQuest-2021-08-11T20:55:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T20:39:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Alright, sharpen your pencils: The professor's set of WikiTannicaWorld-cyclopedia on the shelf comprises ten volumes. Each volumes' page section is 2 inches thick. The front and back covers are each 1/2 inch thick. Bobbie the bookroom decides to eat his way through the collection, starting at the outside of the front cover of volume 1, and ending at the last page of volume 10. He can eat 1 inch of pages every hour, and 1 inch of cover material every two hours. What is the quickest Bobbie can finish his journey? GenQuest ^"scribble" 20:58, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T20:58:00.000Z","author":"GenQuest","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-GenQuest-2021-08-11T20:58:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T20:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T21:01:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-11T20:58:00.000Z","c-FormalDude-2021-08-11T21:01:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-11T20:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

La corda non è legata a nient'altro. The rope is not tied to anything else. Molto Bene! Very Good! --ARoseWolf 21:01, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T21:01:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T21:01:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-11T20:58:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

@GenQuest: That's no riddle, that's a math question! XD ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 21:01, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T21:01:00.000Z","author":"FormalDude","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-FormalDude-2021-08-11T21:01:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-11T20:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T21:07:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-11T21:01:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\ud835\uddd9\ud835\uddfc\ud835\uddff\ud835\uddfa\ud835\uddee\ud835\uddf9\ud835\uddd7\ud835\ude02\ud835\uddf1\ud835\uddf2"}}-->

Sounds like something we learned in school one day. I failed miserably. I much preferred to be chasing bear cubs. The math is simple. Its 39 hours but then its most likely not the answer we are looking for. --ARoseWolf 21:07, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T21:07:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T21:07:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-11T21:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-GenQuest-2021-08-11T21:12:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T21:07:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

OK, OK, I'll give you a hint. He does it in 33 hours. Riddle me this, how does he do that? GenQuest ^"scribble" 21:12, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T21:12:00.000Z","author":"GenQuest","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-GenQuest-2021-08-11T21:12:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-11T21:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-FormalDude-2021-08-11T21:16:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-11T21:12:00.000Z","c-FormalDude-2021-08-11T21:24:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-11T21:12:00.000Z","c-FormalDude-2021-08-11T21:34:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-11T21:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

I got 38 hours.

A (number of book page sections to consume) = 10

B (number of book cover sections to consume) = 9

P (thickness of pages) = 2 in. per book volume

C (thickness of covers) = 1 in. per book volume (1/2 in. each)

r (rate of bookworm’s consumption of pages) = 1 hour

q (rate of bookworm’s consumption of covers) = 2 hours

T = Shortest time the bookworm can finish his journey.

APr+BCq = T

(10*2*1)+(9*1*2)=38

T= 38 hours ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 21:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T21:16:00.000Z","author":"FormalDude","type":"comment","level":14,"id":"c-FormalDude-2021-08-11T21:16:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-11T21:12:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\ud835\uddd9\ud835\uddfc\ud835\uddff\ud835\uddfa\ud835\uddee\ud835\uddf9\ud835\uddd7\ud835\ude02\ud835\uddf1\ud835\uddf2"}}-->

I think I'm going wrong on variable q, I think that should be 1 hour since I put variable C as one inch. But that would change the result of the question to 29 total hours. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 21:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T21:24:00.000Z","author":"FormalDude","type":"comment","level":14,"id":"c-FormalDude-2021-08-11T21:24:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-11T21:12:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\ud835\uddd9\ud835\uddfc\ud835\uddff\ud835\uddfa\ud835\uddee\ud835\uddf9\ud835\uddd7\ud835\ude02\ud835\uddf1\ud835\uddf2"}}-->

No actually I went wrong on variable r. It should be 2 hours because it takes 2 hours for the worm to eat 2 inches of pages. So each book would take 4 hours total, and at a total of ten books that would be 40 hours, but he is not eating the last cover, so that takes off one hour to give you 39 hours, as ARoseWolf said. I'm not sure how you get 33 hours. Maybe if I reverse the equation I can figure it out. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 21:34, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T21:34:00.000Z","author":"FormalDude","type":"comment","level":14,"id":"c-FormalDude-2021-08-11T21:34:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-11T21:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-GenQuest-2021-08-11T21:35:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-11T21:34:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\ud835\uddd9\ud835\uddfc\ud835\uddff\ud835\uddfa\ud835\uddee\ud835\uddf9\ud835\uddd7\ud835\ude02\ud835\uddf1\ud835\uddf2"}}-->

Hint #2: ARoseWolf, FD Impressive formulation. Ad you are now on the right track. This one frustrated me no end when it was first proffered to me. Then (after a hint) I applied logic and visualization to it sometime later, and it was a face-palm moment. GenQuest ^"scribble" 21:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T21:35:00.000Z","author":"GenQuest","type":"comment","level":15,"id":"c-GenQuest-2021-08-11T21:35:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-11T21:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-GenQuest-2021-08-11T21:41:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-11T21:35:00.000Z","c-FormalDude-2021-08-11T21:47:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-11T21:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hint #3: FormalDude, you gave yourself hint # 3, with all that talk about reversing... GenQuest ^"scribble" 21:41, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T21:41:00.000Z","author":"GenQuest","type":"comment","level":16,"id":"c-GenQuest-2021-08-11T21:41:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-11T21:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Ahh I'm still getting 39:

Pages= 2 hours | Cover= 1 hour

((Cover + Pages + Cover)9) + ((Cover + Pages)1)

((1+2+1)9) + ((2+1)1)

((4)9) + ((3)1)

36+3=39 ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 21:47, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T21:47:00.000Z","author":"FormalDude","type":"comment","level":16,"id":"c-FormalDude-2021-08-11T21:47:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-11T21:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-FormalDude-2021-08-11T21:57:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-11T21:47:00.000Z","c-FormalDude-2021-08-11T22:13:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-11T21:47:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\ud835\uddd9\ud835\uddfc\ud835\uddff\ud835\uddfa\ud835\uddee\ud835\uddf9\ud835\uddd7\ud835\ude02\ud835\uddf1\ud835\uddf2"}}-->

Even when I factor the equation to it's simplest form, (1 hour)(# of cover sections)+(2 hour)(# of page sections), it still comes to 1(9) + 2(10) = 39. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 21:57, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T21:57:00.000Z","author":"FormalDude","type":"comment","level":17,"id":"c-FormalDude-2021-08-11T21:57:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-11T21:47:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\ud835\uddd9\ud835\uddfc\ud835\uddff\ud835\uddfa\ud835\uddee\ud835\uddf9\ud835\uddd7\ud835\ude02\ud835\uddf1\ud835\uddf2"}}-->

@GenQuest: Okay I'm done embarrassing myself, what's the answer? ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 22:13, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T22:13:00.000Z","author":"FormalDude","type":"comment","level":17,"id":"c-FormalDude-2021-08-11T22:13:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-11T21:47:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\ud835\uddd9\ud835\uddfc\ud835\uddff\ud835\uddfa\ud835\uddee\ud835\uddf9\ud835\uddd7\ud835\ude02\ud835\uddf1\ud835\uddf2"}}-->

You presented your efforts quite well, FormalDude; I've never seen anyone try a formula on this like you did. I think I used chalk, a blackboard, and a diagram eventually.

Answer: The key is you have to visualize the book collection as it would appear on the professor's shelf, that is reversed. Remember, the front cover of each book is to the right when the books are on the shelf–the back covers are on the left. So Bobbie doesn't even touch book one, since he is starting at its outside cover–he just goes to town eating through the BACK cover of book two which is to the right of him. The eight books (volumes 2–9) to the right of Bobbie's starting point take 4 hours each to tunnel through. (32 hours.) Then, at the other end, he comes out of volume 9 already at the back cover of volume ten, at which point he just eats through the back cover to get to last page (1 hour) leaving all the pages and front cover of volume 10 unmolested. Now its your turn again! GenQuest ^"scribble" 22:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T22:44:00.000Z","author":"GenQuest","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-GenQuest-2021-08-11T22:44:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-11T19:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-FormalDude-2021-08-11T22:56:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-11T22:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

Wow, I definitely should have drawn that out visually. That is (contrary to what I said earlier) quite the riddle! Gonna be a hard one to follow. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 22:56, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-11T22:56:00.000Z","author":"FormalDude","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-FormalDude-2021-08-11T22:56:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-11T22:44:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\ud835\uddd9\ud835\uddfc\ud835\uddff\ud835\uddfa\ud835\uddee\ud835\uddf9\ud835\uddd7\ud835\ude02\ud835\uddf1\ud835\uddf2"}}-->

• A man is lying dead in a field. Next to him there is an unopened package. There is no other creature in the field. How did he die? ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 01:07, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T01:07:00.000Z","author":"FormalDude","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-FormalDude-2021-08-12T01:07:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-11T19:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Firefangledfeathers-2021-08-12T02:25:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-12T01:07:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\ud835\uddd9\ud835\uddfc\ud835\uddff\ud835\uddfa\ud835\uddee\ud835\uddf9\ud835\uddd7\ud835\ude02\ud835\uddf1\ud835\uddf2"}}-->

  I know this one, and just want to clarify that this is the type of riddle (sometimes called lateral thinking puzzles) where you can ask yes or no questions (sometimes the answer is "it doesn't matter"). I am happy to answer such questions if FD doesn't mind. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 02:25, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T02:25:00.000Z","author":"Firefangledfeathers","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Firefangledfeathers-2021-08-12T02:25:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-12T01:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-FormalDude-2021-08-12T02:50:00.000Z-Firefangledfeathers-2021-08-12T02:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

  Yes, questions encouraged and directed to the wonderful @Firefangledfeathers! ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 02:50, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T02:50:00.000Z","author":"FormalDude","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-FormalDude-2021-08-12T02:50:00.000Z-Firefangledfeathers-2021-08-12T02:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Firefangledfeathers-2021-08-12T02:52:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-12T02:50:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\ud835\uddd9\ud835\uddfc\ud835\uddff\ud835\uddfa\ud835\uddee\ud835\uddf9\ud835\uddd7\ud835\ude02\ud835\uddf1\ud835\uddf2"}}-->

  I didn't mean to take over! I was thinking we could work on a "whoever gets to it first" system. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 02:52, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T02:52:00.000Z","author":"Firefangledfeathers","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Firefangledfeathers-2021-08-12T02:52:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-12T02:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-FormalDude-2021-08-12T02:56:00.000Z-Firefangledfeathers-2021-08-12T02:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

  No worries! The more people participating the funner it will be ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 02:56, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T02:56:00.000Z","author":"FormalDude","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-FormalDude-2021-08-12T02:56:00.000Z-Firefangledfeathers-2021-08-12T02:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T12:30:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-12T02:56:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\ud835\uddd9\ud835\uddfc\ud835\uddff\ud835\uddfa\ud835\uddee\ud835\uddf9\ud835\uddd7\ud835\ude02\ud835\uddf1\ud835\uddf2"}}-->

This was fun. I recommend doing this often. Anytime anyone comes up with a riddle they can add it here. Definitely is better with more people involved. --ARoseWolf 12:30, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T12:30:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T12:30:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-12T02:56:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

• It belongs to you, but your friends use it more. What is it? ––FormalDude talk 10:22, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-18T10:22:00.000Z","author":"FormalDude","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-FormalDude-2021-09-18T10:22:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-11T19:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Firefangledfeathers-2021-09-18T14:17:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-09-18T10:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

  My inflatable air mattress. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 14:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-18T14:17:00.000Z","author":"Firefangledfeathers","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Firefangledfeathers-2021-09-18T14:17:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-09-18T10:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-FormalDude-2021-09-20T12:59:00.000Z-Firefangledfeathers-2021-09-18T14:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

  Good answer, @Firefangledfeathers! Other acceptable answers (TIKO) include your doorbell, your name, your patience, or your Netflix account. Your turn if you have one! ––FormalDude talk 12:59, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-20T12:59:00.000Z","author":"FormalDude","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-FormalDude-2021-09-20T12:59:00.000Z-Firefangledfeathers-2021-09-18T14:17:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• The electrician you hired was later revealed to have just been three kids stacked up in a trench coat. Thanks to their crayon wiring diagram, you know that the switches for the lights in your basement are all in your attic. Three switches in the attic connect to three light bulbs in the basement, but you do not know which switch goes with which bulb.
  Your laziness, fear of spiders, and commitment to using your Nokia 3310 mean that you need to figure out which switch controls each bulb in only one trip and without using any fancy recording/streaming technology. How do you do it? Firefangledfeathers (talk) 13:21, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-20T13:21:00.000Z","author":"Firefangledfeathers","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Firefangledfeathers-2021-09-20T13:21:00.000Z-Riddle:_3_Bulbs","replies":[]}}-->

Gerda Arendt, SusunW, Rosiestep, GenQuest, Ipigott, Ched, Netherzone, Urve, Ritchie333, Atsme, Parkwells, Tryptofish, MjolnirPants

Three months ago I was diagnosed with leukemia. I was listening to Andrea sing Ave Maria this morning and I didn't hear the doctor come in the room. He patiently waited for the song to finish and that's when I noticed him. I really get into the colors of some songs (lol). Three months ago I came here very sick. Today, I am officially in remission. I will be leaving this hospital before the end of the week. My temporary home here is ready for me and I am ready to move forward with life. I can not express how thankful I am for every single person here who ever had a single caring thought for me through this. I believe you have been through this with me and, though the fight is not over, we are winning. I laid here for the past hour crying, tears of relief and tears of joy. Every moment of pain, every setback, every fear was conquered by the outpouring of love, kindness and the caring spirit found all over my talk page. I am so, so, so grateful for each of you. You have been a light for me during some difficult and dark days. I tagged most of you but I am certain I missed a few. I wanted to say thank you!! --ARoseWolf 13:13, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T13:13:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T13:13:00.000Z-Ave_Maria","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-08-12T13:18:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T13:13:00.000Z","c-Rosiestep-2021-08-12T13:28:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T13:13:00.000Z","c-Ched-2021-08-12T14:06:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T13:13:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Asareel, I am literally crying tears of joy! My spirit knew that you were a fighter and my own battle with cancer told me that fighting an illness is just as much of a mental battle as a physical one. I am so happy for you. In the beginning of your journey I told you that I was sitting by your side. Know that I am still there. Best wishes for your speedy return to your life. SusunW (talk) 13:18, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T13:18:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-08-12T13:18:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T13:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T13:28:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-08-12T13:18:00.000Z","c-Ritchie333-2021-08-12T13:21:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-08-12T13:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

Susun, I have felt you by my side many days. Thank you for your quiet strength. You pushed me to fight harder. This was my battle and I had to wage it. You are right, in some ways the mental side of this far outpaces the physical. I couldn't have done it without the support of my family and friends. That included my Wiki-family. This community is so unique. I love it. --ARoseWolf 13:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T13:28:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T13:28:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-08-12T13:18:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I'm glad you've got through this. I've seen relatives who haven't been so lucky succumb to cancer and I hope that you really are on the mend. I think we often forget that behind every editor is a human being which we don't know very much about, or at least we only know what we're allowed to know. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:21, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T13:21:00.000Z","author":"Ritchie333","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ritchie333-2021-08-12T13:21:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-08-12T13:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T13:43:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2021-08-12T13:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you Ritchie. You are so correct. Too many are lost to this disease every year. The very first thing my doctor told me when we started treatments is that this was a marathon. The team here told me this was going to be grueling and hard. I had no idea just how hard. But they also told me that they were going to go through it with me and help me along the way. I can definitely say that staying positive is a key element. I wanted each of you to know a little of what I was going through because I am human and I wanted you to see that side. It does kind of personalize it. --ARoseWolf 13:43, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T13:43:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T13:43:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2021-08-12T13:21:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Asareel, oh my gosh; such happy, good news! I'm here with my cup of coffee, and one of you, too, giving you a virtual hug. Thank you to modern medicine for helping my friend. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T13:28:00.000Z","author":"Rosiestep","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Rosiestep-2021-08-12T13:28:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T13:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T13:43:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2021-08-12T13:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

Mmmmm, I love a smooth cup of coffee. Thank you for the hug, Rosie. I'm hugging you tight, my friend. --ARoseWolf 13:43, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T13:43:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T13:43:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2021-08-12T13:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-GenQuest-2021-08-12T13:58:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T13:43:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

So glad to hear that you are on the mend and getting sprung soon. Stay strong and play hard. You seem to take things that life throws at you on your terms, A; and I like and admire that! It will serve you well. Very happy for you! p.s.: I will shortly have a Krispy Kreme donut in your honor—I see you already have your coffee. Many cheers, GenQuest ^"scribble" 13:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T13:58:00.000Z","author":"GenQuest","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-GenQuest-2021-08-12T13:58:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T13:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T15:13:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-12T13:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

Enjoy that Krispy Kreme, Gen (lol). I love life, the ups and downs. You can't expect to learn if you don't experience it. Even when it throws you something like this cancer, you just have to keep living until there is no life left. You have to. Its funny but I was asked if I ever had a moment to reflect on the possibilities of this being the end. No, not really. I have too many mountains to climb, too many sunrises to sing to, too many moons to howl at. Too many things to do here on this planet. Even more to do within this encyclopedia. I don't have time for that. Giving up was never and is never an option. I probably never will concern myself with the end. I will most likely be singing and dancing when it comes. --ARoseWolf 15:13, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T15:13:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T15:13:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-12T13:58:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I'm so very glad that everything is going well for you. It's easy to care for good people, so it's no surprise that you have so many supporters. — Ched (talk) 14:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T14:06:00.000Z","author":"Ched","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ched-2021-08-12T14:06:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T13:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T15:01:00.000Z-Ched-2021-08-12T14:06:00.000Z","c-Ipigott-2021-08-12T14:20:00.000Z-Ched-2021-08-12T14:06:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014 Ched"}}-->

Ched, I have to say that one of my single most favorite moments on Wikipedia was the gift you gave to me of the Rose and the Wolf. You are a sweet and caring person. I honestly and truly love each of you. I haven't met a person here, even those I have had a disagreement with, that I don't respect and love with all my heart. We are humans and we sometimes have conflicts of interest with each other. That does not mean anyone here is my enemy. I leave room for us to be human. From the very first day I opened my eyes I have seen life in my own unique way. You have seen it through yours. How could I say I am right and you are wrong when you have never seen through my eyes and I have never seen through yours. My duty is to love and support. That's what I will do. I will always empathize even if I disagree. I celebrate our scars that reflect where we have been and the hazards of the journey. My path forward is lit so bright from the beautiful souls I have encountered along the way. --ARoseWolf 15:01, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T15:01:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T15:01:00.000Z-Ched-2021-08-12T14:06:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

• Great news, Asareel, and I'm so glad to hear you can now start relaxing again. I never had any doubts you would pull through but it's fantastic to have medical confirmation. All those difficult days in hospital have paid off and next week you'll be able to return to your friends and family. Your contributions to Wikipedia while in hospital have been impressive. I hope you can still find time for us when you get back home. Please let me know if there's anything I can help you with, either on Wikipedia or more generally. Even if you have not been able to see their smiling faces, you obviously have been in the hands of dedicated medical staff. It's so good to hear that they have once again been successful.--Ipigott (talk) 14:20, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T14:20:00.000Z","author":"Ipigott","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ipigott-2021-08-12T14:20:00.000Z-Ched-2021-08-12T14:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T15:14:00.000Z-Ipigott-2021-08-12T14:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ian, I don't plan to ever leave this community and I will always do what I can to offer support and assistance where I am able. I still have a journey to seeing all of my family again. I will have to stay close by for additional testing over the next few months to confirm I am in full remission before going home to stay but this is a monumental step. This medical team has been phenomenal from day one. I was so blessed to have them taking care of me. My contributions here seem so small but I enjoy doing them and I fully plan to continue and hopefully become more involved. --ARoseWolf 15:14, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T15:14:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T15:14:00.000Z-Ipigott-2021-08-12T14:20:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

13 August songs

celebrate

Ave Maria! Returning from an outing with friend, after a great time with others yesterday, I am late to this thread. I dedicate a butterfly to you and your wonderful resilience. Never saw a thing like that butterfly with transparent wings, and never a thing like your strength. How do you like this Ave Maria, sung by Chanticleer? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:32, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T15:32:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-12T15:32:00.000Z-Ave_Maria","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T15:49:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-12T15:32:00.000Z","c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T15:50:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-12T15:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oh Gerda!! You have no idea how much you have meant to me. I think I've probably turned to you during the hardest days just trying to stay positive and look to the future. It was hard. I never thought about giving up but there were times when I lost motivation. A picture, a kind word, a cheerful attitude picked me up when I needed it most. You introduced me to so many amazing people I never had the opportunity to meet here, some I have, and opened their Song up to me. You have had such a massive impact on my brief time here as an editor. Thank you for everything and the butterfly too. I don't believe you captured this picture by coincidence, my friend. --ARoseWolf 15:49, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T15:49:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T15:49:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-12T15:32:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I love Chanticleer! Thank you for that version of the song. --ARoseWolf 15:50, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T15:50:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T15:50:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-12T15:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-12T16:05:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T15:50:00.000Z","c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-21T22:37:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T15:50:00.000Z","c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-28T21:23:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T15:50:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

You are right, I thought of you when I took the picture. Also the rose with the green beetle. And of Rosie and Opabinia for the cat ;) - The Chanticleer sang for us in 2000, here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T16:05:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-12T16:05:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T15:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Giedrė Šlekytė conducted, and you would have loved it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:37, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-21T22:37:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-21T22:37:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T15:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

listen to Ave Maria --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:23, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-28T21:23:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-08-28T21:23:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T15:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

That is wonderful news! You have a strong spririt, and that combined with the excellent medical care licked the leukemia. I'm certain the remission will continue throughout the next few months and into years. You've got this! I never had any doubts that you would get through this with flying colors (pun intended). I will eat some New Mexico green chile in your honor with my breakfast tamale! (Chile and coffee are my drugs of choice, ha ha!) Blessings to all. Netherzone (talk) 15:56, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T15:56:00.000Z","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Netherzone-2021-08-12T15:56:00.000Z-Ave_Maria","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T16:07:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-12T15:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

Netherzone, Yes, Yes! Eat a chile for me. Thank you for your faith in my recovery. The medical team here definitely was an enormous factor. I am just so excited! I am beside myself. The nurse came in for vitals and told me I am simply glowing. Probably all the radioactivity but, hey, glow any way you can (lol). Honestly though, it's me reflecting the beautiful light that is everyone here. You all are my blessing. --ARoseWolf 16:07, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T16:07:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T16:07:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-12T15:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-08-12T19:24:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T16:07:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Netherzone me too! Two words Marie Sharp's. SusunW (talk) 19:24, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T19:24:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-08-12T19:24:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T16:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T19:27:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-08-12T19:24:00.000Z","c-Netherzone-2021-08-12T19:32:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-08-12T19:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

SusunW, A girl that knows her priorities, good food (lol). --ARoseWolf 19:27, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T19:27:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T19:27:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-08-12T19:24:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

SusunW, Hi, fellow chile lover! I swear by the fact that chile is serious medicine. Sometimes in the Fall I will buy a ten pound sack, roast it, peel it, and freeze it for the coming cold weather. I never wear gloves, and absorbing the chile juice through the skin like that makes EVERY little ache and pain throughout my body go away - for days. I think it also has mood-elevating properties that give a person a sense of well being. And it makes the house smell so good. Sounds like you have a great chile sauce collection; I will have to look for Marie Sharp's. Netherzone (talk) 19:32, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T19:32:00.000Z","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Netherzone-2021-08-12T19:32:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-08-12T19:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T19:41:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-12T19:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Netherzone and ARoseWolf: And in honor of Alaska, her "Smokin' Marie's" was inspired when she watched Salmon being smoked there. OMG, it is divine! And yes, living in the land of no winter (yay!) we get all sorts of chiles fresh year round. The do have amazing healing properties.

@Netherzone and SusunW: I keep an herb garden inside and we have a small greenhouse that I grow some vegetables in during the growing time which isn't long. My favorite is wildflower salads. I can grow things a little longer because of the heated greenhouse but nothing is going to hold by -60°F for long so I am still limited by that. My eldest brother wants to build a larger greenhouse but, I keep telling him and he understands, the larger it is the harder it is to keep warm. We may have to go with several smaller ones. --ARoseWolf 19:41, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T19:41:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T19:41:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-12T19:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-08-12T20:14:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T19:41:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I love wild flower salads! SusunW (talk) 20:14, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T20:14:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-08-12T20:14:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-12T19:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Netherzone-2021-08-12T20:21:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-08-12T20:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

The Smokin' Marie's hot sauce sounds excellent, as do the wildflower salads (but not necessarily at the same time.) Netherzone (talk) 20:21, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T20:21:00.000Z","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Netherzone-2021-08-12T20:21:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-08-12T20:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Netherzone-2021-08-12T20:24:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-12T20:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

SusunW, Mmmm, girl, we need cultural exchange time. I'm petitioning the UN. I'll bring the wild flower salad, you bring the chile's and hot sauce. Netherzone, you want in on this? You can bring Tamale's. Its been a while since I've had a good one. --20:24, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T20:24:00.000Z","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Netherzone-2021-08-12T20:24:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-12T20:21:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Tamales are best when made collectively, so I'll bring the masa and cornhusks and we can all construct them together! Netherzone (talk) 20:52, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T20:52:00.000Z","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Netherzone-2021-08-12T20:52:00.000Z-Ave_Maria","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-08-13T19:49:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-12T20:52:00.000Z","c-Tryptofish-2021-08-12T21:09:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-12T20:52:00.000Z","c-Atsme-2021-08-13T19:25:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-12T20:52:00.000Z","c-Urve-2021-08-14T06:38:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-12T20:52:00.000Z","c-Parkwells-2021-08-15T21:10:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-12T20:52:00.000Z","c-Anupam-2021-08-17T21:08:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-12T20:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

OMG, ARoseWolf, fabulous idea! Netherzone there is a torilliaria 1/2 a block from my house where we can get masa freshly ground (methinks customs wouldn't let you bring it in). Also here they do tamales in banana leaves rather than corn husks. It'd be cool to make both so we can compare. I have banana trees in the back yard, as well as a chaya bush (tree spinach), which makes amaaaaaazing tamales. I shall try very hard not to eat up all my Smokin' Marie's, because right now travel to and from Belize is limited. (Usually I have a steady supply as every visitor from there knows what to bring me, LOL) SusunW (talk) 19:49, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-13T19:49:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-08-13T19:49:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-12T20:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Netherzone-2021-08-13T22:37:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-08-13T19:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

SusunW, Yummy, freshly made masa and a selection of banana leaf and corn husk tamales, with different fillings. I'm not a vegetarian, so I do eat pork & red chile tamales and chicken and green chile tamales, but cheese and green chile is one of my favorites also. I sometimes make slightly sweet breakfast tamales with dried fruit filling that gets softened during the steaming process. Pour a little cream on top before eating, and wow! Do you use the chaya as a filling or a wrapping? Tree spinach sounds AMAZING! Are you in Belize? For some reason I thought Costa Rica. Netherzone (talk) 22:37, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-13T22:37:00.000Z","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Netherzone-2021-08-13T22:37:00.000Z-SusunW-2021-08-13T19:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2021-08-14T01:02:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-13T22:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

Netherzone Southern Mexico now (Yucatán), but before that in Belize. I'm not a vegetarian either, but I do eat vegetarian a lot. Chaya, cheese and caramelized onions with or without grilled meat is typical here and I love green chile or red chiles in them. That fruit one sounds amazing. SusunW (talk) 01:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-14T01:02:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-SusunW-2021-08-14T01:02:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-13T22:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I am so happy to hear this news, and so happy for you! (I take it as a victory whenever I log in here and find good news instead of bad.) We only crossed editing paths recently, but I can truly say that every interaction we have had has been an absolute pleasure. And the thought of a greenhouse full of vegetables is such a lovely one. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T21:09:00.000Z","author":"Tryptofish","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tryptofish-2021-08-12T21:09:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-12T20:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-13T12:42:00.000Z-Tryptofish-2021-08-12T21:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you, Tryp. I agree that it has been a pleasure. I try to keep it that way though the opposite is sometimes unavoidable. it's especially lovely when you can have a greenhouse full of fruits and vegetables in the Arctic Circle. It looks like a rain forest in my little greenhouse during the short growing season (lol). With my sickness this year the greenhouse is, sadly, dormant. I've been helping them prepare from here as much as I can. We would normally start winter supply runs this month but we are two weeks behind on those already. It's going to be close. The first real snows could fall as soon as the end of September into early October so the race is on. They will be starting to get some twilight now but only about four to five hours of it. We will start seeing temps on the decline now. High's everyday are in the upper 40's to low 50's and it will get down to near freezing at night. In September it really starts declining fast. In another three to four weeks we will see low temps drop into the lower 20's and 10's. --ARoseWolf 12:42, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-13T12:42:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-13T12:42:00.000Z-Tryptofish-2021-08-12T21:09:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

WOW, Wolfie! Wonderful news! It's time to celebrate!! Atsme 💬 📧 19:25, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-13T19:25:00.000Z","author":"Atsme","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Atsme-2021-08-13T19:25:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-12T20:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-13T19:43:00.000Z-Atsme-2021-08-13T19:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

Atsme, Yesssss! Celebrate life with me! I danced myself to exhaustion yesterday (lol). It was fun, though I was told to not overdo it. I have a permanent smile that can't be altered though. My Song is extra bubbly and I can't keep it inside. It just flows freely so everyone gets some loving virtual hugs. I am so excited to be leaving the hospital though. And I will get to hold my daughter for the first time in months which hits me so hard every time I think about it causing me to smile through tears of joy now. Ahhh, emotions!! --ARoseWolf 19:43, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-13T19:43:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-13T19:43:00.000Z-Atsme-2021-08-13T19:25:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

This is wonderful to hear, my friend. I saw your ping almost immediately but have wondered how to respond to something so joyous. But as I went on a walk tonight, thinking of what to say, I looked at the sky, weblike with its stars, punctured, the moon occluded by its own shadow, I thought about navigating knowledge and fragility and incompleteness and the impossible task of representation. (I think of the quote I shared before.) There is a wonderful song by Cap'n Jazz, "Oh Messy Life", that I have loved since I first heard it - and which has made its way into many of the papers I've written over the years, from subjects ranging from pure math to epistemology. "Fire is motion / Work is repetition / This is my document / We are all all we've done". Your life is your document - and that includes Wikipedia - and you are so much. Urve (talk) 06:38, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-14T06:38:00.000Z","author":"Urve","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Urve-2021-08-14T06:38:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-12T20:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-16T13:11:00.000Z-Urve-2021-08-14T06:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

Awwww, thank you for this, Urve. We are all that we have done and it is beautiful to me. I absolutely love listening to our Life Song's. It's hard to explain how I actually see our lives, our contribution to this symphony. I adore this movie I watched years ago because, though it is a fictitious story, it gives us a glimpse into a world most will never see. I live with it every day. Music IS all around us. We are music, life is music. A while ago I heard sound recordings from outer space from NASA, all of these celestial bodies putting on a show for us, and I know the songs they play. I hear them in us. It doesn't matter whether I am in a city or home in the mountains. Everything moves to a frequency. Everything vibrates, even the Earth beneath us. We are no different. We have strings and the notes of our unique Life and personality are played on those strings. As the notes of our Song are played the sounds expand out from us in waves of color. We are Rainbows of music. It's really very beautiful and, yes, messy. There are skips, a lot like when vinyl records would get scratched and it would skip and jump, that thump. Those are the scars made from collisions in life with things, people and experiences that moved at different frequencies. These scars tell the story of where we have been, what we have come through. They will also help guide us to where we want to be. There is nothing more beautiful than the human Song. We just have to be willing to listen. --ARoseWolf 13:11, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-16T13:11:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-16T13:11:00.000Z-Urve-2021-08-14T06:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tryptofish-2021-08-16T18:55:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-16T13:11:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Your comment just above reminded me of something. In case you haven't heard of it already, there is: this. It's hardly anything as momentous as outer space, but it is a sort of musicalized real-time record of Wikipedia recent changes. It's interesting and relaxing, in my opinion, in a synthetic music sort of way. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:55, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-16T18:55:00.000Z","author":"Tryptofish","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Tryptofish-2021-08-16T18:55:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-16T13:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-18T19:08:00.000Z-Tryptofish-2021-08-16T18:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

Tryptofish, it is relaxing. I love it! It is very enjoyable to hear our collective work in the form of music. Thank you so much for sharing it with me. --ARoseWolf 19:08, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-18T19:08:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-18T19:08:00.000Z-Tryptofish-2021-08-16T18:55:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Such good news! May it continue... Parkwells (talk) 21:10, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-15T21:10:00.000Z","author":"Parkwells","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Parkwells-2021-08-15T21:10:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-12T20:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-16T13:11:00.000Z-Parkwells-2021-08-15T21:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

Parkwells, thank you for that. I appreciate your positive words so much. They are life to me. --ARoseWolf 13:11, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-16T13:11:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-16T13:11:00.000Z-Parkwells-2021-08-15T21:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Parkwells-2021-08-17T20:56:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-16T13:11:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Your appreciation and joy in life have been inspiring to us all -Parkwells (talk) 20:56, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-17T20:56:00.000Z","author":"Parkwells","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Parkwells-2021-08-17T20:56:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-16T13:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Dear User:ARoseWolf, as a fellow Wikipedian, I'm happy to hear about your recovery and hope that you are blessed with happiness! With regards, Anupam^Talk 21:08, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-17T21:08:00.000Z","author":"Anupam","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Anupam-2021-08-17T21:08:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-08-12T20:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-18T19:01:00.000Z-Anupam-2021-08-17T21:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you, Anupam. Very kind and sweet of you to say and I appreciate it. --ARoseWolf 19:01, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-18T19:01:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-18T19:01:00.000Z-Anupam-2021-08-17T21:08:00.000Z","replies":["c-Anupam-2021-08-18T19:38:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-18T19:01:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

You're welcome! God willing, you will be back in full health soon! Anupam^Talk 19:38, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-18T19:38:00.000Z","author":"Anupam","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Anupam-2021-08-18T19:38:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-18T19:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, '...if I ever am brought up before Arbitration I will not defend myself.' I understand. However, not defending one's self is ironically one of the main FoF for which Arbcom invariably choose to close by sanctioning the accused whether guilty or not, and generally with the most severe punishment they can convince the community is necessary. It happens often. I speak from first-hand experience.

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:27, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-19T13:27:00.000Z","author":"Kudpung","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kudpung-2021-08-19T13:27:00.000Z-A_kitten_for_you!","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-19T14:37:00.000Z-Kudpung-2021-08-19T13:27:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Kudpung \u0e01\u0e38\u0e14\u0e1c\u0e36\u0e49\u0e07"}}-->

Hello Kudpung. I know this all too well. I read your interactions with ArbCom months ago and your experience is one of the factors that made up my decision. If I am sanctioned more harshly for not defending myself against the proverbial "firing squad" then so be it. I do not feel it just to subject someone to the kind of mud-slinging destructive process that is the typical ArbCom case involving the perceived behavior of others based solely on the bias of those who oppose them. We suddenly view other people as obstacles that must be overcome and defeated at any cost and ArbCom then becomes a weapon to accomplish this goal. Sifting through diff's to try and find any little nugget to use as a means to trash another person's character and demean them out of existence is something I will not tolerate. I stand by my statement knowing full well the implications and consequences. I don't anticipate it ever happening as I typically do not edit in very contentious discussions and when I do I try to bring a level of understanding and peaceful reflection though I am human and will make mistakes.

When the Nazi's took over a region or another country they convinced locals that the Jews and other minorities among them were the reason for why their life seemed miserable and why they were not wealthy. They even blamed these groups for why others would get sick. They then asked the populace what they thought should be done to these groups that were holding them back. The obvious answer was punishment. But that wasn't severe enough so the answer became to deprive them of all the things these people believed they were being deprived of, life, liberty, wealth and health. At first they formed local police forces that would exact these punishments upon the "guilty". Soon they were instructed to drag these individuals and families out of their homes and dispose of them as you would trash on the street. Some refused but very few did. Why? Why was it not abhorrent to our humanity that they were being instructed to end another life? Because they had been conditioned, even without knowing it, that this other life was going to end them if they didn't. They were being told this other life is a threat to their own. I think, to a lesser degree, this is prevalent in other areas of life, including Wikipedia. I would never wholly compare wat happens here to the atrocities committed there but the principle behind it is the same. In truly egregious cases of behavior we should take corrective measures to protect others. But in the majority of the ArbCom cases I have reviewed I simply see humans being humans and it didn't warrant the comments given or decisions rendered. that is not to blame the arbitrators, specifically, though there is enough there to do so in some cases, as much as it is a rebuke of the community that, so often, refuses to work through issues rather than run to ArbCom to resolve them for us. --ARoseWolf 14:37, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-19T14:37:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-19T14:37:00.000Z-Kudpung-2021-08-19T13:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tryptofish-2021-08-19T20:41:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-19T14:37:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I sure do hope that, for both you and the kitten, it never actually comes to pass that any of this comes about. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:41, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-19T20:41:00.000Z","author":"Tryptofish","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tryptofish-2021-08-19T20:41:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-19T14:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-19T20:46:00.000Z-Tryptofish-2021-08-19T20:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

Tryptofish, that is a cute kitten though. --ARoseWolf 20:46, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-19T20:46:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-19T20:46:00.000Z-Tryptofish-2021-08-19T20:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kudpung-2021-08-20T00:29:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-19T20:46:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Sifting through diff's to try and find any little nugget to use as a means to trash another person's character and demean them out of existence... This is indeed sadly exactly what happens, and the more one chooses not to defend one's self, the more severe the accusations are made to appear, and increasingly more trolls jump on the bandwaggon. Even Arbcom members allow themselves to overstep the bounds of decency (diffs available), but they are the truly 'untouchables'. Decent Wikipedians can only hold on to a glimmer of hope that the likes of Chris Sherlock (goodness knows why he was ever allowed back and to continue his spree) are as rare as they probably are, but he'll be back in yet another disguise and choosing another victim for his (as hinted here by Llywrch) pathological game.

A propaganda message is aligned to popular perception (such as in our case 'all admins are bad people'), and when it has already gained the attention of the people, the bigger the lie is, the more it is likely to be believed. Hitler knew how to use this perfectly. Resentment in Germany towards the Treaty of Versailles was strong after WW1, and the Weimar Republic was unable to do anything about it and Germany broke down in chaos. Hitler gave the people elements: 1. an awareness of the threat to the German ideal - an ideal that goes back to the strict and pompous order of the Hohenzollern or even earlier, and 2. A promise to do something about it, and using the Jews and the Bolsheviks as scapegoats (propaganda always works best if you give the people a punching bag). When taken to task about their decisions, Arbcom simply raises its hands and says "We're only doing our job". So did the German jurists, police, and 'clean' military who enforced the Nuremberg Laws and carried out the Endlösung. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:29, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-20T00:29:00.000Z","author":"Kudpung","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Kudpung-2021-08-20T00:29:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-19T20:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-20T13:03:00.000Z-Kudpung-2021-08-20T00:29:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Kudpung \u0e01\u0e38\u0e14\u0e1c\u0e36\u0e49\u0e07"}}-->

Kudpung, "I was only following orders" is what you would typically hear. That sounds a lot like "We were only doing our jobs". There is no order that can be given which removes the basic rights every human being should be afforded and there is no job that one should be allowed to hide behind as an excuse for violating the basic rights of others. The human Song should be treated with dignity and respect. I do not want to get into specifics on Chris' time here but I believe he was allowed to leave with some semblance of dignity and I wish him the best in life. I have communicated with Chris in the past, both on and off-wiki, and I have and will continue to treat him with respect as a human being while also maintaining filters that will protect myself and others from negativity.

Shortly after WW2 a study was conducted in the US to try and determine how anyone could do the things that were done at the concentration camps in Germany and Poland. A group of people were brought into an auditorium and were given instructions about this experiment that was being performed. They were told that the test was being conducted on individuals that had committed crimes against humanity. They were handed forms that contained biographies on every convicted person used for the experiment. They assured everyone in the room that these individuals had been convicted by the US judicial system. The convicts were supposedly lead into a room and strapped to a desk. They had a monitor placed on their head to measure brain activity and they had diodes attached to their skin at various location that would administer a shock of varying degrees that was controlled by a system of dials and buttons on a console located in an adjacent room. One of the people from the auditorium that was "randomly" selected from the public to be in the experiment was lead to this adjacent room and given instructions on how to operate the console. They were told they would be informed by the "chief" doctor in control of the experiment as to what power level to use and when to push the button to administer the shock. They always started low but eventually these people were instructed to administer fatal levels of electricity to the convicted person in the other room. NO ONE refused to push the button effectively killing another human being. Even hearing the screams of those in the other room did not deter them. They all chose to kill this other human going simply on what others, they presumed in authority, had told them about the individuals and when questioned afterwards they almost all said they were told these were bad people and so they followed orders given by the authority over the experiment. Some did hesitate but eventually pushed the button. They were asked why they hesitated and they said they didn't want to be responsible for the death of another human but, ultimately, concluded that the authorities must know what they are doing and so they followed the instructions out of fear of being ridiculed for not obeying a direct order. We are all capable of this. No one is immune. We must recognize this and never allow ourselves to lose sight of the fact that human dignity is not contingent upon what someone else says. There are consequences to actions but unless you physically witnessed those actions and have a complete understanding of every aspect of the situation then how could we ever believe we have the right to pass judgement upon another human. We damn sure shouldn't be executioner of any punishment simply based upon what an "authority" tells us. --ARoseWolf 13:03, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-20T13:03:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-20T13:03:00.000Z-Kudpung-2021-08-20T00:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-20T13:25:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-20T13:03:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Would like to point out that no one was actually harmed in the experiment. It was all conducted to see if people would follow orders blindly or simply based upon what was being told to them by someone they would view as being an authority. Had it been real, over 50 humans would have lost their lives based upon what an authority said. I'm reminded of what I was told years ago, "Every villain is a hero to their side". --ARoseWolf 13:25, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-20T13:25:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-20T13:25:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-20T13:03:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Hi ARoseWolf! I really like the Teahouse response you gave here to the editor passionate about skateboarding. We should all strive to give helpful friendly empathetic responses like this. Keep up the good work!

GoingBatty (talk) 20:18, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-23T20:18:00.000Z","author":"GoingBatty","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GoingBatty-2021-08-23T20:18:00.000Z-A_kitten_for_you!_2","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-23T20:28:00.000Z-GoingBatty-2021-08-23T20:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

GoingBatty, Thanks! Spreading love anyway I can. --ARoseWolf 20:28, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-23T20:28:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-23T20:28:00.000Z-GoingBatty-2021-08-23T20:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-FormalDude-2021-08-23T20:34:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-23T20:28:00.000Z","c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-24T11:39:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-23T20:28:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I totally second this. What a lovely response. You deserve two kittens! ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 20:34, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-23T20:34:00.000Z","author":"FormalDude","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-FormalDude-2021-08-23T20:34:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-23T20:28:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\ud835\uddd9\ud835\uddfc\ud835\uddff\ud835\uddfa\ud835\uddee\ud835\uddf9\ud835\uddd7\ud835\ude02\ud835\uddf1\ud835\uddf2"}}-->

@Kudpung, GoingBatty, and FormalDude:, thank you so much for the kittens. I miss my Persephone. My daughter says she sits in the window watching for me to come home. She'll have to wait just a little longer. I appreciate this more than I can express. It's very sweet and thoughtful of all of you. --ARoseWolf 11:39, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-24T11:39:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-24T11:39:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-23T20:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-GenQuest-2021-08-24T14:54:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-24T11:39:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Inquiring minds want to know: do Alaskan kittens play with the ice worms? GenQuest ^"scribble" 14:54, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-24T14:54:00.000Z","author":"GenQuest","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-GenQuest-2021-08-24T14:54:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-24T11:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-24T15:50:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-24T14:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

GenQuest, My cat hardly ever goes outside the house up at the homestead. Too many things may see her as a quick meal, although, when we lived in Haines she would chase off the bears. I literally saw her chase bears from my property down there on multiple occasions. --ARoseWolf 15:50, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-24T15:50:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-24T15:50:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-24T14:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-FormalDude-2021-08-30T09:36:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-24T15:50:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

That's a brave cat! ––FormalDude talk 09:36, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-30T09:36:00.000Z","author":"FormalDude","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-FormalDude-2021-08-30T09:36:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-24T15:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-31T12:42:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-30T09:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

FormalDude, she isn't brave, she's just the goddess of the underworld. What bear has a chance against that? lol --ARoseWolf 12:42, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-31T12:42:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-31T12:42:00.000Z-FormalDude-2021-08-30T09:36:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I thought of giving this to JPL, but felt he might misunderstand my intention. Narky Blert (talk) 21:37, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-25T21:37:00.000Z","author":"Narky Blert","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Narky_Blert-2021-08-25T21:37:00.000Z-A_poem","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-26T13:29:00.000Z-Narky_Blert-2021-08-25T21:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

Narky Blert, I would send it to him and just say that its a site you thought he might enjoy reading through. Let him take that journey of discovery if he chooses to or not. I think its very thoughtful of you. All we can do is point people in the direction of things we think that might help them. They have to decide to walk that path. They have to decide if it is a help for them or not. --ARoseWolf 13:29, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-26T13:29:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-26T13:29:00.000Z-Narky_Blert-2021-08-25T21:37:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar

I see you, ARoseWolf! Next camper I down will be dedicated to you, whether you like it or not (I suspect not). Kind (kind!) regards, El_C 15:15, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-26T15:15:00.000Z","author":"El C","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-El_C-2021-08-26T15:15:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!_2","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-26T15:37:00.000Z-El_C-2021-08-26T15:15:00.000Z","c-El_C-2021-08-26T15:30:00.000Z-El_C-2021-08-26T15:15:00.000Z"],"displayName":"El_C"}}-->

El_C, If there was a barnstar for making Asareel choke on her tea with laughter then you would be the very illustrious owner of such a prestigious and rare award. It would amount to about .00000000000000000001% notability, give or take a zero or ten, so you have that going for you. Thanks for the laugh and for seeing me. I really appreciate the act of kindness in giving me this barnstar of kindness. My cat would be proud or stare at me with the usual indignant look she gives any creature she believes beneath her royal status. --ARoseWolf 15:37, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-26T15:37:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-26T15:37:00.000Z-El_C-2021-08-26T15:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-El_C-2021-08-26T15:44:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-26T15:37:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Nice. Well, you know the old proverb: Cats get the family ham! El_C 15:44, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-26T15:44:00.000Z","author":"El C","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-El_C-2021-08-26T15:44:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-26T15:37:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"El_C"}}-->

Also: here's an unconventional Ave Maria and here's a more conventional one, just to temper my COD gunning nonsense. El_C 15:30, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-26T15:30:00.000Z","author":"El C","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-El_C-2021-08-26T15:30:00.000Z-El_C-2021-08-26T15:15:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"El_C"}}-->

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Здравствуйте. Как я могу опубликовать свои данные в Wikipedia --Mr.Bayja (talk) 22:48, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-26T22:48:00.000Z","author":"Mr.Bayja","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mr.Bayja-2021-08-26T22:48:00.000Z-Question_from_Mr.Bayja_(22:48,_26_August_2021)","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-27T11:52:00.000Z-Mr.Bayja-2021-08-26T22:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Mr.Bayja: Надеюсь, я правильно перевожу. Я не говорил по-русски несколько лет. Добро пожаловать в Википедию. Вы пытаетесь разместить данные о себе? --ARoseWolf 11:52, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-27T11:52:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-27T11:52:00.000Z-Mr.Bayja-2021-08-26T22:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-GenQuest-2021-08-28T17:18:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-27T11:52:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

(Вы действительно хороши в этом.) GenQuest ^"scribble" 17:18, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-28T17:18:00.000Z","author":"GenQuest","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-GenQuest-2021-08-28T17:18:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-27T11:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-31T12:39:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-28T17:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

GenQuest, Мне пришлось научиться немного говорить по-русски, когда я посетил Санкт-Петербург много лет назад. Я хотел посетить Москву, но мы не хотели останавливаться, поэтому просто ездили по городу. Я самоучка, поэтому я уверен, что делаю много ошибок. --ARoseWolf 12:39, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-31T12:39:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-31T12:39:00.000Z-GenQuest-2021-08-28T17:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-31T13:12:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-31T12:39:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Xa-xa! Учил себя русскому? Гений! Смешной! и круто! Код секретности. -Iskatel' Genealogii

Iskatel' Genealogii, Вообще-то, моим кодом секретности был идиш. Только мой папа и моя бабушка могли говорить на идиш. Когда мы с бабушкой хотели поговорить о личном и интимном, мы всегда использовали идиш. Мой папа не разрешал публично говорить ни на каком другом языке, кроме английского, потому что он не хотел, чтобы другие люди чувствовали себя неловко рядом с нами. Моя бабушка помогала мне нарушать правила, за что папа всегда строго смотрел на меня, но часто озорно улыбался. --ARoseWolf 13:12, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-31T13:12:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-08-31T13:12:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-08-31T12:39:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

ARoseWolf, Thanks for your kind comments! T. E. Meeks (talk) 12:45, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-28T12:45:00.000Z","author":"T. E. Meeks","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-T._E._Meeks-2021-08-28T12:45:00.000Z-Thanks!","replies":[]}}-->

The Rose Barnstar

Dear Rose, my 🌹 For you, As Your Name's Rose, And its Green Leaf as Your Valid/Precious Contributions on The Wikipedia, And its Beauty as your Beautiful User Page. —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 06:22, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-30T06:22:00.000Z","author":"Sakura emad","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sakura_emad-2021-08-30T06:22:00.000Z-Rose","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014\u2014 \ud83c\udf38 Sakura emad \ud83d\udc96"}}-->

September songs

You are the first to get September songs, and I go and chase more images ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:46, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-01T13:46:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-01T13:46:00.000Z-September_songs","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-09-01T13:53:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-01T13:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

Gerda Arendt, Ooooooo, wow, the first? Thank you so much, beautiful Light. I love the grapes. Reminds me of my grandparents vineyards in Italy. I have run through the rows of grapes quite a few times. Also the time I met Andrea Bocelli and he sang happy birthday to me. Sigh-so many great memories from what seems like a lifetime ago. --ARoseWolf 13:53, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-01T13:53:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-09-01T13:53:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-01T13:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-01T18:59:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-09-01T13:53:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Just returned from about the same area: no leaf colours yet. Pics to come eventually, want to improve the concerto for two cellos first. Congrats to Bocelli having sung for you birthday! (May we know which day? I talked to Andreas Scholl once, walking from one concert to the next, and he said the Agnus Dei from the Mass in B minor was the best music an alto could sing. That was his encore last Friday. Also Graham playing a new piece for me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:59, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-01T18:59:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-01T18:59:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-09-01T13:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-09-01T19:02:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-01T18:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

Gerda Arendt, my birthday is February 14th. I'm a Valentines Aquarius. --ARoseWolf 19:02, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-01T19:02:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-09-01T19:02:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-01T18:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-01T19:06:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-09-01T19:02:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Nicely easy to remember ;) - mine is when Graham played as you probably guessed --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:06, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-01T19:06:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-01T19:06:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-09-01T19:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-09-01T19:15:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-01T19:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

Gerda Arendt, I figured as much. I was bogged down at that time with everything. I should have said something. I apologize for being absent minded. My focus was just on getting well. --ARoseWolf 19:15, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-01T19:15:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-09-01T19:15:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-01T19:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-01T19:30:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-09-01T19:15:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I am sorry, I didn't intend for you to feel you missed something. Getting well IS your focus, for all of us. How do you like the Ave Maria I gave you further up? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:30, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-01T19:30:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-01T19:30:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-09-01T19:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-09-01T19:51:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-01T19:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

Gerda Arendt, Nooooo, you didn't make me feel bad or anything. I just hate to miss out on special days for my friends. Birthdays were like most holidays growing up, we didn't celebrate many. That was the compromise my Catholic Mama and my Jewish Papa made with each other. They acknowledged special days but we never celebrated outwardly. They viewed them as a personal journey. We were allowed to determine our own beliefs and build our own philosophy, many included religious viewpoints. The exceptions to the celebration rules were my 13th birthday and when I turned 18 and left to live with my brother in Nepal for a year or so. That was quite the interesting experience. On my 13th birthday my grandmother made me read through the Torah. I read for nearly five hours, out loud, in Hebrew. Then we celebrated with both an Italian and Hebrew meal. I look back on my childhood and early teens very differently than most would. Many would call it tragic, it certainly contained a lot of that, and some would call it odd, very fitting, but I see it as a very rich and deeply meaningful journey to where I am now. --ARoseWolf 19:51, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-01T19:51:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-09-01T19:51:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-01T19:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-01T20:00:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-09-01T19:51:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

I admire you for reading for five hours aloud in Hebrew! I made one edit to the Hebrew Wikipedia and needed help from a friend who is from Israel. It was in 2013, and I found it again within the first 500. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:00, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-01T20:00:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-01T20:00:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-09-01T19:51:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-09-01T20:07:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-01T20:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

Gerda Arendt, most languages I know are self-taught but a few, like Hebrew and Yiddish, were taught to me by my grandmother. She was my school teacher early in my life. Then my Mama became my teacher. I had issues which kept me from attending public school like my siblings but I still excelled and graduated high school. I was also a pretty good archer competing in state competitions. Btw, English was, by far, the hardest to learn for me. --ARoseWolf 20:07, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-01T20:07:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-09-01T20:07:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-01T20:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-09-01T20:16:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-09-01T20:07:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Gerda Arendt, oh, and I have only ever enjoyed everything you have shared with me, including Ave Maria. You have truly enriched my life with every encounter. Thank you! --ARoseWolf 20:16, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-01T20:16:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-09-01T20:16:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-09-01T20:07:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Omas gegen Rechts - enjoy strong women! I thought of Yoninah on the first day of Rosh Hashanah --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-07T21:29:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-07T21:29:00.000Z-September_songs","replies":[]}}-->

Rich Main page today: first TFA by promising author, pictured DYK by my friend LouisAlain who is discouraged by an AN discussion, and one of the Recent deaths. Enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-09T17:28:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-09T17:28:00.000Z-September_songs","replies":[]}}-->

Especially for you: 9/11 pic --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-11T20:45:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-11T20:45:00.000Z-September_songs","replies":[]}}-->

today: moar music, Beethoven, and my brother was in the orchestra, 10 July --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-16T09:58:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-16T09:58:00.000Z-September_songs","replies":[]}}-->

today next chapter, about chance - have a good going home --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:09, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-18T10:09:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-18T10:09:00.000Z-September_songs","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you for improving articles in September, - a good harvest! New pics added, one with some resemblance to the one you quoted from Sandstein, below. On Peace Day, Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:29, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-21T11:29:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-21T11:29:00.000Z-September_songs","replies":[]}}-->

today: a woman in red, two who died under "in memoriam" and LouisAlain missed - my first editnotice read: "Every editor is a human being" which is quoted from a comment by Geometry guy in a 2012 discussion on WP:AN. I updated my images, - which one do you like best? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:42, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-27T13:42:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-09-27T13:42:00.000Z-September_songs","replies":[]}}-->

Hey! I noticed you replied to someone on the teahouse who asked something in French and translating it through Google it appeared to make sense. It made me wonder if you had used Google Translate or if you're actually fluent in speaking (/writing) in French. I looked at your profile and saw nothing indicating you would be fluent in French (considering you lived in Italy for a while so it seems more likely that you would be fluent in Italian). So what's the answer, did you use Google and it happened to make sense when being translated back or are you actually fluent in French? Thanks! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 16:02, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-07T16:02:00.000Z","author":"Blaze The Wolf","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Blaze_The_Wolf-2021-09-07T16:02:00.000Z-Fluent_in_French?","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-09-07T16:27:00.000Z-Blaze_The_Wolf-2021-09-07T16:02:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor"}}-->

Blaze The Wolf, I am pretty fluent in French though not the Parisian French that I responded in. Provence, Dauphiné, Savoy and Nice all border the Piedmont region of Italy. If you visit the region you will hear a mixture of Italian and French as well as the accustomed differences in dialect one would expect. I do not use Google translator for French, Russian, Spanish, Italian, Hebrew, Yiddish, Portuguese or German. I may not be able to speak it well but I understand most of those languages and if I run across a word I do not understand I usually ask so that I can learn further. I have heard that Google translator teaches very little and gets a lot of things wrong. --ARoseWolf 16:27, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-07T16:27:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-09-07T16:27:00.000Z-Blaze_The_Wolf-2021-09-07T16:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-Blaze_The_Wolf-2021-09-07T16:34:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-09-07T16:27:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Ah that's cool. I didn't even know there were different types of French. You're not wrong that Google Translate isn't all that good (hence the reason a lot of people have been putting things through multiple layers of Google Translate and it coming out completely different), however I think for a rough translation in more common/popular languages it does alright. However in languages such as Urdu for example, Google Translate shouldn't be used. Thanks for informing me on this. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 16:34, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-07T16:34:00.000Z","author":"Blaze The Wolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Blaze_The_Wolf-2021-09-07T16:34:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-09-07T16:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-09-07T16:43:00.000Z-Blaze_The_Wolf-2021-09-07T16:34:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor"}}-->

Blaze The Wolf, you are most welcome. There are dialects in almost every language. Notice that I called it the Piedmont region of Italy. That is because Italian spoken where I lived is slightly different than the Italian spoken in Rome though I have taught myself to speak several dialects. I am human and prone to a less than perfect delivery. When I speak to others it is generally standard Italian but words slip. We were only allowed to speak English in public once we moved to the US. We had to speak only Italian or Hebrew at home. --ARoseWolf 16:43, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-07T16:43:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-09-07T16:43:00.000Z-Blaze_The_Wolf-2021-09-07T16:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Blaze_The_Wolf-2021-09-07T18:28:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-09-07T16:43:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Oh wow. Was that your parent's decision or is speaking English in public just not allowed in Italy? Apologies for my curiosity, I've lived in the US my entire life and have never visited other countries (outside of video games) so I don't know what it's like in other countries. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 18:28, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-07T18:28:00.000Z","author":"Blaze The Wolf","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Blaze_The_Wolf-2021-09-07T18:28:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-09-07T16:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-09-07T19:23:00.000Z-Blaze_The_Wolf-2021-09-07T18:28:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor"}}-->

Blaze The Wolf, My parent's rule. My Papa was concerned that speaking Italian or Hebrew in public would make people think we were talking about them and because his business was reliant upon public perception he felt that was inappropriate. At the same time, they had an appreciation for heritage and so they wanted us to maintain that so we only allowed to speak those languages in the home. --ARoseWolf 19:23, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-07T19:23:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-09-07T19:23:00.000Z-Blaze_The_Wolf-2021-09-07T18:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Blaze_The_Wolf-2021-09-07T19:38:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-09-07T19:23:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Ah ok. Again thanks for telling me about stuff like this! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 19:38, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-07T19:38:00.000Z","author":"Blaze The Wolf","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Blaze_The_Wolf-2021-09-07T19:38:00.000Z-ARoseWolf-2021-09-07T19:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-09-07T19:56:00.000Z-Blaze_The_Wolf-2021-09-07T19:38:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor"}}-->

Blaze The Wolf, Of course, I don't mind sharing anything I can. As I noted in a discussion I just had, we are not solo dancers in life. We learn by watching others dance and sometimes we are lucky enough to have another person to dance with us. --ARoseWolf 19:56, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-07T19:56:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-09-07T19:56:00.000Z-Blaze_The_Wolf-2021-09-07T19:38:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

Who do i write a new article --Thortheregnarok (talk) 05:07, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-09T05:07:00.000Z","author":"Thortheregnarok","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thortheregnarok-2021-09-09T05:07:00.000Z-Question_from_Thortheregnarok_(05:07,_9_September_2021)","replies":["c-AssumeGoodWraith-2021-09-09T05:15:00.000Z-Thortheregnarok-2021-09-09T05:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Thortheregnarok: Check Help:Your first article and WP:PILLARS - AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 05:15, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-09T05:15:00.000Z","author":"AssumeGoodWraith","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AssumeGoodWraith-2021-09-09T05:15:00.000Z-Thortheregnarok-2021-09-09T05:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-2021-09-09T11:15:00.000Z-AssumeGoodWraith-2021-09-09T05:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

AssumeGoodWraith, Thank you! --ARoseWolf 11:15, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-09T11:15:00.000Z","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-2021-09-09T11:15:00.000Z-AssumeGoodWraith-2021-09-09T05:15:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->