Template talk:RLM aircraft designations

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Not every German aircraft designation was an RLM designation

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The Do 25 and 27 were not designed until well after the RLM had ceased to exist. Heinkel HD and HE (capitalized) designations were internal company designations, often for types that were never used by the Germans, nor were they ever given an equivalent RLM designation. Hence why I removed them. - NiD.29 (talk) 16:49, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-06-01T16:49:00.000Z","author":"NiD.29","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-NiD.29-2020-06-01T16:49:00.000Z-Not_every_German_aircraft_designation_was_an_RLM_designation","replies":["c-ZLEA-2020-06-01T16:58:00.000Z-NiD.29-2020-06-01T16:49:00.000Z"],"displayName":"- NiD.29"}}-->

NiD.29 While Heinkel's company designations were HD and HE, the aircraft included in this template were also allocated RLM designations, all of which had the prefix He. As for the Do 25 and 27, RLM reserved 8-25 and 8-27 for Dornier, but the designations were not used before the war ended. I clarified this by putting subscript 3 next to the designation. - ZLEA T\C 16:58, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-06-01T16:58:00.000Z","author":"ZLEA","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ZLEA-2020-06-01T16:58:00.000Z-NiD.29-2020-06-01T16:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2021

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I am writing to request that I make some edits to this template because I obtained recent books and bookazines by Sharp (2015, 2016, 2020), and it came to my attention that numerous putative RLM designations for Focke-Wulf aircraft projects from World War II (Fw 226, Fw 232, Fw 238, Fw 249, Fw 250, Fw 251, Fw 252, Fw 261, Fw 272, Fw 281, and Ta 283) are actually fictitious designations invented in some post-WW2 on German military aircraft projects of World War II by historians who didn't have a full understanding of the project numbering system devised by Focke-Wulf, derived from Focke-Wulf drawing numbers and drawing labels for the projects with which these putative designations are associated in many Luftwaffe aircraft books.

References:

  • Sharp, Dan, 2015. Luftwaffe: Secret Jets of the Third Reich. Mortons.
  • Sharp, Dan, 2016. Luftwaffe: Secret Bombers of the Third Reich. Mortons.
  • Sharp, Dan, 2020. Secret Projects of the Luftwaffe: Jet Fighters 1939-1945. Mortons. Convariety (talk) 16:24, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-15T16:24:00.000Z","author":"Convariety","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Convariety-2021-02-15T16:24:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_15_February_2021","replies":["c-NiD.29-2021-02-15T17:02:00.000Z-Convariety-2021-02-15T16:24:00.000Z"]}}-->
Done. Let us know if any more turn up. - NiD.29 (talk) 17:02, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-15T17:02:00.000Z","author":"NiD.29","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-NiD.29-2021-02-15T17:02:00.000Z-Convariety-2021-02-15T16:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-Convariety-2021-02-15T21:39:00.000Z-NiD.29-2021-02-15T17:02:00.000Z"],"displayName":"- NiD.29"}}-->
NiD.29 The bookazine Luftwaffe: Secret Bombers of the Third Reich cites the project number 0310 239 for the Focke-Wulf 1000x1000x1000 jet bomber project (officially dubbed Bomber mit 2 HeS 011 by Focke-Wulf), making clear that the putative designation Fw 239 is a fictitious designation derived from 0310 239. There is also no documentary evidence that the RLM number 8-239 was allocated to Arado or that there was an Arado high-altitude bomber project called "Ar 239", in which case 8-239 was unassigned, according to Dan Sharp. The link for the Me 609 designation should be changed to Messerschmitt Me 262 because Sharp (2018, p. 111, 115) points out that Me 609 was used as a cover designation for standard Me 262s from summer 1944 to the end of World War II, and that the twin-fuselage Me 309 referred to as the Me 609 in some literature was actually called Me 309 Zw, not Me 609.
Sharp, Dan, 2018. Luftwaffe: Secret Designs of the Third Reich. Mortons.Convariety (talk) 21:39, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-15T21:39:00.000Z","author":"Convariety","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Convariety-2021-02-15T21:39:00.000Z-NiD.29-2021-02-15T17:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-NiD.29-2021-02-16T05:15:00.000Z-Convariety-2021-02-15T21:39:00.000Z"]}}-->
Updated. The 609 page needs a complete overhaul then as it is currently about the 309 Zw. - NiD.29 (talk) 05:15, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-16T05:15:00.000Z","author":"NiD.29","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-NiD.29-2021-02-16T05:15:00.000Z-Convariety-2021-02-15T21:39:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"- NiD.29"}}-->
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Junkers A 35 = Ju 53 ?

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I doubt if the RLM designation of the Junkers A 35 is Ju 53. Is there a source for this? I did not find it. There is also no mention of it in Junkers A 35. Thanks for your answer, Davv69 (talk) 03:50, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230405035000","author":"Davv69","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Davv69-20230405035000-Junkers_A_35_=_Ju_53_?","replies":["c-ZLEA-20230405044000-Davv69-20230405035000","c-ZLEA-20230407210000-Davv69-20230405035000"]}}-->

I'll check my library for sources. If I find anything, I'll add it to the article. The designation might have been the RLM designation of the K 53, a Swedish variant of the A 35. - ZLEA T\C 04:40, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230405044000","author":"ZLEA","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ZLEA-20230405044000-Davv69-20230405035000","replies":[]}}-->
The only source in my library to mention the Ju 53 lists it as a "twin-engined reconnaissance aircraft". This does not match the A 35, which was a single-engined aircraft. Based on this, I think it's safe to assume the association between the A 35 and the Ju 53 designation is in error. - ZLEA T\C 21:00, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230407210000","author":"ZLEA","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ZLEA-20230407210000-Davv69-20230405035000","replies":[]}}-->