This box lists planes according to Theosophy, but also neo-Theosophy partly due to me. I suggest we remove the top 2 spiritual planes, which according to Theosophy are unknowable for humans. Then the articles on them have to be moved into spiritual plane and the consciousnesses on them have to be listed after it. IIRC, HPB researched historical mysticism/esoterism and defined the causal body to be on both the mental and lowest spiritual planes, and found that the mental and emotional planes are one and the astral and ethereal planes are one and the physical plane is non-ethereal. Some articles already distinguish between Theosophy and neo-Theosophy, the latter of which may need a new system to combine with the former, so perhaps there should also be a list for neo-Theosophy. Does anyone agree?--Dchmelik (talk) 11:47, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-22T11:47:00.000Z","author":"Dchmelik","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dchmelik-2008-08-22T11:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Synergy-2008-08-22T11:36:00.000Z-Dchmelik-2008-08-22T11:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

I can attest that these are two separate planes of existence. But this is not the case of course. I suggest the top four in the template be conjoined. All four cover, to some degree the same thing, but on different levels (soul or spirit can be argued to be the same thing in most cases). Also, all four articles are single sourced, and cannot survive alone. The whole area needs a lot of work. Synergy 11:36, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-22T11:36:00.000Z","author":"Synergy","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Synergy-2008-08-22T11:36:00.000Z-Dchmelik-2008-08-22T11:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dchmelik-2008-08-22T11:47:00.000Z-Synergy-2008-08-22T11:36:00.000Z","c-Dchmelik-2008-08-22T12:12:00.000Z-Synergy-2008-08-22T11:36:00.000Z","c-Dchmelik-2008-08-24T01:17:00.000Z-Synergy-2008-08-22T11:36:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Syn"}}-->

I combined the name but now they do not point to the right planes, but they point to the right consciousnesses. I suggest the highest planes articles be combined with the spiritual plane article, but I have never combined articles before... I guess I will copy them into sections. Did you mean the single source is me or one Theosophist? I thought I added references from 2 Theosophists....--Dchmelik (talk) 11:47, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-22T11:47:00.000Z","author":"Dchmelik","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dchmelik-2008-08-22T11:47:00.000Z-Synergy-2008-08-22T11:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Further discussion is at Wiki project occult; I would rather not keep copying it here.--Dchmelik (talk) 12:12, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-22T12:12:00.000Z","author":"Dchmelik","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dchmelik-2008-08-22T12:12:00.000Z-Synergy-2008-08-22T11:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I suggest the box be reverted back to having Theosophy & neo-Theosophy separate, and maybe rather listing some of the others under Theosophy (which it is based on because they generally agree.) There were some mistakes and the use of Sanskrit rather than (or in addition to, both of which are unnecessary) English, but when I changed that the box was still too wide. See further discussion in Wiki project occult.--Dchmelik (talk) 01:17, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-24T01:17:00.000Z","author":"Dchmelik","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dchmelik-2008-08-24T01:17:00.000Z-Synergy-2008-08-22T11:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->