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Milton Friedman a neoliberal? Was not Dr. Friedman more of a classical liberal than a neoliberal? When I think of neoliberalism, I think of the likes of Reagan and Thatcher, people who employed classically liberal or libertarian rhetoric when it suited their purpose but whose policies were twistedly conservative. At most, Friedman was an associate of neoliberals, rather than one himself.

Also, I would suggest adding protectionism to the ideas section of this template.

For now, however, I will simply resign myself to removing the goldish yellow colour-scheme, which I had created specifically for the libertarianism template, and which I believe to be completely unsuitable in this template.

Regards,
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Why is "Protectionism" on this template? Look at the ideas along with it. All of them are free market ideas... Protectionism is NOT a neoliberal concept - it argues against the opposite. I'll move Protectionism so that its in the box with Anti-Consumerism, etc. 58.104.120.115 (talk) 22:57, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-05T22:57:00.000Z","author":"58.104.120.115","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-58.104.120.115-2009-02-05T22:57:00.000Z-Allixpeeke-2008-07-07T05:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-UltimateLiberty-2015-12-23T02:47:00.000Z-58.104.120.115-2009-02-05T22:57:00.000Z"]}}-->
True. Protectionism is an old concept started with mercantilism. Neoliberalism is about free trade. That's why free trade agreements are more commonplace. Fair trade should be removed also for similar reasons. UltimateLiberty (talk) 02:47, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-12-23T02:47:00.000Z","author":"UltimateLiberty","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-UltimateLiberty-2015-12-23T02:47:00.000Z-58.104.120.115-2009-02-05T22:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
And how did the Caro Institute come to be a governing body of neoliberalism (whatever that means)? DickClarkMises (talk) 19:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-07-31T19:35:00.000Z","author":"DickClarkMises","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DickClarkMises-2008-07-31T19:35:00.000Z-Allixpeeke-2008-07-07T05:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Sadly, the sources citing Bill Clinton and Tony Blair as "neoliberal" are hyper-partisan. The historian cited is on record as self-defining as a Marxist who opposes capitalism - including conventional social democracy - in its entirety. Clinton is an American social liberal, distinct from neoliberal which is essentially Reaganism, just as Tony Blair is a modern social democrat rather than a neoliberal. It is a misreading to conflate them - especially when both Clinton and Blair have rejected the neoliberal label- and I fear Wikipedia is losing its objectivity when it comes to applying this based on sources with ideological and subjective intent and understanding. I see that User:C.J._Griffin has reverted edits seeking to rectify this... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.234.39.30 (talk) 00:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221017000600","author":"92.234.39.30","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-92.234.39.30-20221017000600-Older_comments","replies":[]}}-->

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These things always existed prior to neoliberalism:

  • Central banks
  • Fiat currency
  • Inflation adjustment
  • Inflation targeting
  • Open market operations
  • Consumer price index

Many of these like central banks, inflation, currency, monetarism belong to monetary policy not neoliberalism. They have existed before the neoliberal movement. Monetary policy is not a neoliberal concept. UltimateLiberty (talk) 03:03, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-12-23T03:03:00.000Z","author":"UltimateLiberty","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-UltimateLiberty-2015-12-23T03:03:00.000Z-Removing_topics","replies":[]}}-->

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Neoliberal persons

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Can the authors of this template please get some sources on which notable persons are widely considered neoliberals? And then re-work the list and the wiki articles of those persons? I was just trying to find out which prominent neoliberals are alive. The article on Neoliberalism brought me to Milton Friedman's page: No mention of neoliberalism in the article, this box on the side. The box brought me to Alan Greenspan: No mention of neoliberalism, this box on the side. Another link in the box brought me to Tony Blair: No mention of neoliberalism, no box. Joe vom Titan (talk) 16:56, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230812165600","author":"Joe vom Titan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Joe_vom_Titan-20230812165600-Neoliberal_persons","replies":[]}}-->