Template talk:Communist Party of the Soviet Union

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I was wondering how did Ivashkov die in 1994? I find the man interesting, were there any major events under his short rule and was his death related to communism?

(For the record, this guy is talking about Vladimir Ivashko) The USSR ceased to exist in December of 1991, so his death in 1994 was not related. He took control of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in August of that year after the coup attempt. The CPSU was banned in Russia shortly thereafter by Boris Yeltsin (who led the Russian SFSR, which was at the heart of the Union) so I doubt Ivashko could do anything in the time allotted. He was just put into the position in order to have someone fill it.

Furthermore, by that point there were only two people with power: Gorbachev (as President of the Soviet Union) and Yeltsin (as President of Russia). In 1989 Gorbachev allowed other political associations (and pretty much de facto political parties) to coexist with the Communist Party, and in 1990 removed its status as vanguard party of the Soviet Union. The Communist Party's power over the state ended that same year with the newly-created Soviet Presidency. As the Soviet Union began to fall apart the Communist Party pretty much fractured and thus became impotent. The position of General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was useless by the time Ivashko held it, having been superseded by the Soviet Presidency and deprived of any legitimacy after the August coup attempt. Gorbachev's continued existence as General Secretary was just to prevent another rival from appearing.

This probably belongs in the actual article about Ivashko, but yeah. --Mrdie (talk) 15:46, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-06T15:46:00.000Z","author":"Mrdie","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mrdie-2009-04-06T15:46:00.000Z-Older_comments","replies":[]}}-->

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This whole template is problematic

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I find this template problematic as it absorbs lots of events prior to the formation of the Soviet Union, and I feel it is an uncritical endorsement of the sort of one-sided historiography that even predates Stalin's 1931 tract Some Questions Concerning the History of Bolshevism. It does not take into account Anti-Leninist Bolshevism. I think it should be broken down into a history of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party prior to the October Revolution, thereby including the Mensheviks, Vpered etc, with another template post the Bolshevik seizure of power. Leutha (talk) 00:36, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-19T00:36:00.000Z","author":"Leutha","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Leutha-2021-01-19T00:36:00.000Z-This_whole_template_is_problematic","replies":["c-TheUzbek-20220726104400-Leutha-2021-01-19T00:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Leutha: I find that idea very interesting, but Template:Workers' Party of Korea also shows that it's possible to merge the two ideas into one if done properly. Do you, for instance, have list of members of the Menshevik Central Committee? --TheUzbek (talk) 10:44, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220726104400","author":"TheUzbek","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TheUzbek-20220726104400-Leutha-2021-01-19T00:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->