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This template contains every battle fought in the Arctic Ocean in World War II, including every convoy action that resulted in losses on either side. Feel free to add something without bringing it up here, but if you want to remove an entry, please discuss it here on the talk page first. Howicus (talk) 23:01, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-27T23:01:00.000Z","author":"Howicus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Howicus-2013-07-27T23:01:00.000Z-Scope","replies":["c-Xyl_54-2014-01-13T23:26:00.000Z-Howicus-2013-07-27T23:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

I've added a couple that I can think of, but I'm wondering if it'd be better not to list all the Arctic convoys (or even, all the convoys that saw losses on one side or the other) as they are included in the "Convoys" entry. It's worth putting PQ 17 and PQ 18 in (as they'd be expected), but we've got (for example) JW 55B listed as well as Operation Ostfront and the Battle of the North Cape; it seems a bit repetitive. We should probably link PQ 13, for the action involving HMS Trinidad, and QP 11, for HMS Edinburgh, but it'd be clearer to label them "HMS Trinidad action" and "HMS Edinburtgh action" instead. What do you think? Xyl 54 (talk) 23:26, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-01-13T23:26:00.000Z","author":"Xyl 54","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Xyl_54-2014-01-13T23:26:00.000Z-Howicus-2013-07-27T23:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Howicus-2014-01-14T04:13:00.000Z-Xyl_54-2014-01-13T23:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, my initial idea was to list every action that A) has an article, and B) resulted in a loss of ships for either side. So, maybe Convoy JW 55B and Operation Ostfront should be excluded from the infobox. Similarly, I'd say exclude Regenbogen and JW 51B in favor of the Barents Sea article. My idea was to have a compact infobox that listed the actual battles in the theater.

As far as the other idea goes, I don't think the labeling should be changed for PQ 13 and QP 11, since that's not the way the sources describe the engagements. Unlike Barents Sea or North Cape, those actions are usually called by the convoy names. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 04:13, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-01-14T04:13:00.000Z","author":"Howicus","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Howicus-2014-01-14T04:13:00.000Z-Xyl_54-2014-01-13T23:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Xyl_54-2014-01-15T00:11:00.000Z-Howicus-2014-01-14T04:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

Fair enough; it was just a thought. I think the operations links should stay (in fact I've just put another one in) as it seems pretty standard include operations in templates, but you may be right about taking out JW 51B and 55B; neither suffered casualties outside the named battles. Xyl 54 (talk) 00:11, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-01-15T00:11:00.000Z","author":"Xyl 54","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Xyl_54-2014-01-15T00:11:00.000Z-Howicus-2014-01-14T04:13:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->